I can only speak to NC where there is a State approved curriculum for the concealed carry course and that the course instructor must be recognized (i.e. certified) by the State. I would think that whatever the state it would be incumbent upon someone wanting the certificate to make sure they are aware of the requirements and to verify the veracity of the class itself and the instructor. Buyer beware!
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I was very fortunate, in that the instructors I had experienced were very good. I left with an impression that they were passionate about safety, and the minutia of âhandlingâ. I get some of that positive impression when I see range safety workers/officers in action; Cannot thank them enough and cannot say enough about them.
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And this is a textbook example of but one way in which the whole mandated training thing is broken.
Now, good training isnât even worth pursuing, instead of taking good training from somebody who is truly a BTDT awesome trainer with great knowledge to shareâŠIâm better off taking an NRA first steps where I learn what a bullet is and what a primer is (as a person who reloadsâŠ) because the government says so.
Meanwhile despite being probably better trained than the NRA certified instructor, mommy government says no
This is what âcommon senseâ gets us
It actually devalues me seeking progress through training
Just say no to gun control.
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Why donât you ask Frank Proctor why his certificate is not recognized by Florida?
Do you think that once you get a training certificate from âJohn Hancock Instituteâ or 'Joe Doe Facility" you get a right paper for a permit? No, it doesnât work this way.
Because he didnât see value in getting NRA certified, apparently, based on what FL said?
Because he isnât located in FL?
This is where âcommon senseâ gun control gets us, having to tell people their training was a waste of time because, even though itâs better training than 95% of whatâs out there, this or that specific government doesnât recognize it so donât bother wasting your time and money, itâs just training, no government recognition, no reason to do it.
Common sense. Only the government gets to decide if training is valid. What could go wrong?
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Actually, I donât need training proof for any of the 3 licenses I have, which is the way it should be.
The way it works, is I donât even need a training certificate from John Hancock.
At least, in my state(s)
Which is the way it should be.
Just say no to gun control
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Related thought, canât believe I didnât have it till nowâŠ
âŠI hear California gets to decide what a safe handgun is for their residents. Thatâs working well and they are making good common sense decisions on what guns are safe and what guns are not safe, yeah? Like will surely happen with states determining what safety training/education is good?
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So whose fault is it? Floridaâs because it doesnât want to recognize Proctorâs training, or Proctorâs who doesnât want to be NRA certified?
It is easy to blame anything around. But sometimes smart proceeding makes life easier. 
I am not calling for âcommon sense gun controlâ. I am calling for finding ways to get as many people as possible to get at least a minimum amount of well designed firearms training. That will make everyone safer. The way to do that is not to tie it to permission to own a firearm. It is to make everyone, especially all these new firearm owners who have no experience, realize that having the tool doesnât make them safer unless they know how to use it properly.
Training requirements for gun ownership are bad so letâs focus all our efforts on making sure people donât have to get training instead of at least some of our efforts on getting as many people trained as possible?? Letâs throw the baby out with the bath water I guess?
Common sense may not be common anymore but it is still a real thing. Iâm not willing to let anti gunners appropriate and misuse that term any more than I am willing to let dictators or white supremacists, etc. redefine the word freedom.
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It is the fault of the gun control advocates that required training for the permit in the first place. It is also the fault of the gun control advocates for requiring a permit in the first place.
I am sorry you consider advanced firearms training to further ones skills to be something other than smart proceedings.
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What kind of gun control are you calling for?
Whatever prefix you put on it, gun control is gun control, and I refuse to support it, and will tirelessly fight against it.
Yes, I will focus my efforts on reducing the infringements on the Right (not privilege, Right) to keep and bear arms
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@Nathan57 . First Iâve noticed you are overthinking most of the posts. Now I see you may not understand meaning of some posts.
I did not consider advanced firearm training as smart proceeding. I actually value and admire people like Frank Proctor, Ron Avery, Travis Haley, Tim Kennedy or Zevon Durham (there are dozen of other).
What I meant was that even they are great people, fighters, teachers and Instructors they may not be recognized as a verified Instructors for CC permits. The question is - do they want to be? Probably if they do they will spend two days on NRA course to be a NRA Instructor and then your problem is fixed. But, they care more about preparing people to be proficient with the firearm than giving them piece of paper.
So in that case smart proceeding meant - if they feel needs any value for the paper to be used for permits, they would get a NRA Instructor badge.
Why should a person have to spend time and money getting a cert from the NRA to have their training accepted?
Also, are you sure that an NRA certified instructor who is teaching a non-NRA class will be accepted for proof of training by any and every government that is requiring training to grant permission to bear arms? Does FL accept any training done, right now, by an NRA certâd instructor even if the exact course given is not an NRA dictated structure?
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If I want to be recognized by Departments to issue a permit after my class⊠I will spend time a money to do so.
I actually did it⊠
NRA instructor cannot certify student if the course doesnât follow NRA curriculum. But this is obvious, otherwise it couldnât be a NRA certified course.
What will be recognized as a âvalidâ CCW instructor varies from state to state, and in some instances counties may impose additional requirements. Often, NRA (or USCCA or ???) certification has nothing to do with it. Each state has it own requirements.
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That minefield of gun laws, virtually impossible to know what is restricted/allowed where, always different, constantly changing, drives me crazy.
Just get rid of all of it. Just say no to gun control.
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Yea, agreed. In IL Instructor doesnât need to be NRA or USCCA⊠He has to be listed as certified by IL State Police. Otherwise you wonât get a permit.
The weird part part is that your CCW permit may be revoked, if your Instructor was removed from the list.
As far as legally, I say no. Practically I say anyone who wants to carry should train as much as possible, but that is only my way of seeing the world. seek improvement and embrace the suck, not do the bear minimum because its âlegalâ or âmy right.â Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum
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Thank you for saying no to gun control. 
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That makes sense. If we have to require proof of training that the government signs for in order to be granted a privilege, that privilege would have to be revoked when the government decides you should not have had it in the first place. Even if it was through no fault of your own. Probably means you should have done more research into your instructor to make sure there was nothing indicating the government might remove them from the list.
It would probably only take 6-12 months for the state to get you through that process again, no big dealâŠ
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