Watch the Colion Noir video. He explains that in Gerogia and most places it’s not a crime to wander onto property unless your intent is to commit a crime.
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Thanks for the heads up. I should’ve said what at worst might be a misdemeanor trespass. It appeared to me he was curious and did nothing wrong, proven by the homeowner saying nothing was taken, and police, who said Arbery had no stolen goods on him.
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They should have called the police! Even if it was a burglar, he posed no threat to them. You can’t take the law into your own hands just because you have a gun.
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Trespass? He was freakin jogging on a public road!
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You guys are all talking about burglary. He most likely went to look at the new construction going on like I have so many times. Then continued on with his jogging. I don’t know how many times in the past I’ve done the same thing.
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Good points. As to the photographer, he probably wasn’t a professional and people have a tendency to look away and forget they are recording. They might also might be wondering if they are the next victim and looking for an escape route. Without seeing the whole thing from before to end, we will never know but anytime you have a white shoot a black it is not good. The public & media go crazy.
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I won’t say he was jogging since he was first seen walking down the street before he went in to the house and then ran out.
Based on what I currently know, there is no evidence of a crime by the victim. If that is the case, a citizen’s arrest would instead be false arrest. Even the police would be hard pressed to find probable cause to have arrested Arbery if they saw him run out of the house.
As before, keep the popcorn machine running and keep watching as new evidence is discovered.
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On a boating forum we have this thread going as well. Based solely on what we can see in the original video and nothing else. One good friend said he would have done exactly what the dead guy did. I disagreed and said this, “the runner sees the truck and the armed men ahead, he changes course, good move, gives time to evaluate what is happening. He see’s armed guy move to intercept so he now knows he is the point of interest. He is still some unknown distance from the truck and the guys. This is where I break from your choice and his. Why? Because I’m in a neighborhood, on a paved public road, and the firearms are not already pointing at me. I can stop and use time, talk, and distance, to help defuse what is going on. Heck I probably know there is a vehicle behind me and my assumption would be they are not involved thus just being there might help defuse things. Anyway, to continue forward does nothing to slow things down and brings things to a head way too fast. Nope, I’m not ready to go into last option attack mode just yet.” Even being innocent, and in the right, can still mean you can end up dead. No need to rush to a final result if you can help it.
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Thanks. That was a good video and I now too recommend it as well. Thanks again.
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I saw a very brief snippet on the news saying the person following and filming was working “with” the two idiots, and that the confrontation was thus most likely preplanned !!!
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If a position opens up in Georgia as “Electric Chair Switch Operator”
I’d like to submit my application, that’s all I’m saying.
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If the alleged crime was burglary, does that warrant killing him? I am 100% behind President Trump and a 100% disabled veteran, but this does not look good for our cause.
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There are a lot of different opinions and a lot of information not available. Here is one man’s take and his statement of the laws involved: UPDATES in AHMAUD ARBERY'S CASE ARE DISTURBING - YouTube
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I don’t know what the actual law is but here is the take by an ex-cop: UPDATES in AHMAUD ARBERY'S CASE ARE DISTURBING - YouTube
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I know this was stated earlier, but to make it easy… Colion Noir is a lawyer for those who may not be familiar with him.
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No matter how this turns out, it’s a tragedy. A young man is dead, and the father and son could very well face years of litigation, both criminal and civil.
It would seem to me that a critical part of the case will revolve around GA statutes on citizens arrest. Such as under what conditions can a citizen attempt to detain/arrest another citizen?
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we don’t have two sides here and folks forgetting a pedestrian has been destroyed, but GA officials fail each and every CCW instruction by leo: if you use your weapon–justified or not–you are remiss to NOT expect you will go to jail. No USCCA Member here need believe you can assemble cohorts in a neighborhood that is not your own–McMichaels lived over 11miles away-- and pursue a pedestrian who has committed no felony in your purview, and do all this with firearms converted to fire live rounds (GA jurisprudence).
“Intent” will guide this GJ, intent of assembly to pursue a pedestrian that has not committed a felony (aggressive conduct); intent to either convert firearms with live rounds; intent to take an initial aggressive attitude (2As do not know how to take aggressive attitudes such as stopping a moving vehicle in traffic so as to barricade the roadway, blocking a peds possible escape to safety); intent to then block the only other lane of opposite traffic by removing that loose firearm that has been converted to fire a live round(s) an act evincing “menace” not open carry because there are rounds in that weapon that can destroy life.
GA has self defense laws and few of us here have raised issue whether the pedestrian had an unwinnable fight or flight option with these two who have “stopped him before”. We do not know what the pedestrian may have heard: he was under GA law, allowed to risk being in the crosshairs of either the man on truck bed with revolver or ghe man 10 feet away with shotgun, or take his chances, full stop.
This was an unwinnable set of circumstances for all involved, but we must put a heightened expectation on the retired PI who knew or should have known better to be the reasonable 2A voice before this pursuit began. We necessarily accept the onus of life-&-death power over anyone we might happen upon–discretion must be our burden rather than any unarmed whoever.
2A does not convert any of us non leos into law enforcement–I’m a long time member AND firearm owner–you do not put yourself in stupid situations. We all know this was aggression after aggression before an unarmed pedestrian with no training took the only action he had every right to take toward self defense-- just making that point a couple of you already did.
Greay saddened because the subject autopsy reveals 3 shots: thrice the weapon was pointed at what was intended to destroy–regardless how an unarmed passerby (with no expensive firearms training, insurance, or routine practice) played a part. I love that we can be insured & have access to advocacy if ever we legitimately find ourselves in the need, but we need to give the father & younger McMichaels their due credit earned here for every lethal indiscretion. You simply cannot engage aggravated assault evincing reckless disregard for an unsuspecting pedestrian’s life with conduct after conduct only to allege your misbehavior vanishes with the phrase “citizen’s arrest” or “open carry” because evidence of your choices had already defeated these time-honored doctrines responsible Georgians live by daily.
I pray all the survivors well --either the Arberys or McMichaels I just hope the two suspects at least lose their privilege of ever owning another firearm but for their utter lack of reasonable decisions that culminated in the accused’s conducts evincing reckless disregard for an unarmed citizen’s life–that’s the best I can muster here. No, do not know either parties litigant in this action, and I do not live in GA
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ty USCCA, for all your resource & traiining: my only post on your board will speak for itself
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Welcome to the board. I have to ask what in my post prompted your reply to be directed toward me. I’m not sure how the two could be linked other that the GA shooting being base. I was simply pointing out that I believe my personal reaction if in that position would have different. Beyond that I made no statement.
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The reason he panned away was because he allegedly ditched a hammer. The videographer tried to capture it being tossed. Something I read earlier. However, I haven’t seen that fact repeated, so its questionable I suppose.
Agree with you Harry. Want to see what happens in a court of law. All this speculation in the public square is not healthy.
As to how I’d handle this? Probably wouldn’t charge a person holding a shotgun unless I knew for sure I was in mortal danger. Of course, Ahmaud may have felt just that given the circumstances. In any case, Its just not smart to chase someone down with guns when the runner is not armed.
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I thought this was Interesting. Any thoughts?
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