I think we are on the same page as each other. We both think people should have some kind of non-mandatory class/training before buying a firearm, yes.
The true problem is people have freedom and choice if its not mandatory. People can choose not to do anything if they don’t want. Should I not eat an entire bag of Oreos because my doctor says its bad, Sure, but doesn’t mean I have to.
Example of this…I was shot in the back hunting because someone in the group didn’t know to not try to catch a gun you drop. This is the cause of my stance on this particular subject.
Gun safety lessons in grade and/or middle school🤔
By the time they’re legal enough to become gun owners, government has no excuse anymore to infringe on anyone’s rights.
Sorry to hear that. I hope that person got some real training after this incident.
To be honest, I don’t know. Hopefully they did, and I truly hope they didn’t get scared away from firearms in general.
I’ll respectfully disagree Jerzy. When we look at the likelihood of being involved in a shooting, couple with the likelihood of being shot by “friendly” fire, the statistical probability becomes almost nothing. Can it happen, yes. Is it likely, no.
… however - statistics are good… whenever you are alive.
I would never want to be even 0.0001% of statistically dead people shot by wild bullet…
And that likelihood is extremely remote. But to be safe, according to Every Town, you should not have a firearm in the home. However, here are some facts brought to us by our friendly, neighborhood government agency, the CDC, for 2017 it shows:
All causes of death, 2,813,503;
Diseases of heart, 647,457 (23.01% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Malignant neoplasms (aka cancer), 599,108 (21.29% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
All accidental deaths, 169,936 (6.04% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances, 64,795 (2.3% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Motor vehicle accidents, 40,231 (1.43% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Falls, 36,338 (1.29% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Accidental hanging, strangulation and suffocation, 6,946 (0.247% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Accidental drowning and submersion, 3,709 (0.132% of all deaths in the USA in 2017);
Accidental discharge of firearms, 486 (0.017% of all deaths in the USA in 2017).
See pages 6 and 42, respectively, below:
And for an encore we need to legislate protections from spontaneous combustion. Yes, the odds are low… but it is still possible if we dont do something about it.
(Sorry @Jerzy… I just couldn’t resist the temptation)
How to Avoid Spontaneously Combusting | RealClearScience
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2012/12/how-to-avoid-spontaneously-combusting.html
That is a risk I am willing to take, to be able to enjoy my right to bear arms.
I have the pleasure of living in a constitutional carry state, AZ.
I answered yes but the well regulated militia part would mean you know how to use a firearm and are responsible with it. I think “regulated” in the 1700s as opposed to today’s meaning are not exactly the same. My 2 cents, I’m not a lawyer.
It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight." In other words, it didn’t mean the state was controlling the militia in a certain way, but rather that the militia was prepared to do its duty.
Personal responsibility
Not the State’s to regulate
This entire conversation would be moot if there was basic firearms safety training in school. By the time one is of age to carry a gun they would have the basic knowledge not to shoot their foot off or endanger others.
Forgive grammar having to use piece of crap phone for right now and it’s slow to type so it’s voice text for now
My representative wants me to come speak at the next session unfortunately is in Spring 2021 in Baton Rouge about constitutional carry in Louisiana due to their restriction such as getting a doctor to sign off on a medical form. Which I assume most of the time their attorneys advised them against. And I think this is because there’s a Miss understanding that the doctor would be responsible as this individual was to do something illegal
Any time someone suggests that, I think to a few years ago a LEO coming into a classroom of kids to teach firearm safety and firing a round through his foot.
Teaching firearm safety in school would be a good thing. But, at the same time I can see it being an opportunity to indoctrinate, as well. By that I mean, dependent upon where the school happens to be located you could either have training that consisted of nothing more than the firearm is the devil and run away to tactical reloads.
Basic safety for sure could be done, it only makes sense. I just tend to think it to be an uphill battle in terms of ideologies.
In my perfect utopia, K-6 could be taught the basics (firearms are not a toy, if you find a firearm tell and adult, always assume a firearm is loaded, never point at anyone or anything, etc., etc.) from a local LEO. Once they start to reach the age of being able to hunt…maybe bring in a FGO and expand to include hunter education, then once in high school make it part of annual required orientation presentations the first day or two of school.
In the high school I attended, they now have a clay shooting club and the school is part of a state-wide league. I’m not sure how all that is going for them, but I would think that perhaps part of that club could be participation in those orientation presentations. And if they’ve proven themselves to be responsible enough…they could even participate in periodic presentations throughout the year to make sure everyone stays fresh.
Just my thoughts on that. No warranty expressed or implied…mileage may vary.
OK, I’m new to USCCA and I know I have the right to remain silent, but I don’t have the ability.
It occurs to me, after reading the entirety of these posts, that this kind of discussion only provides “fodder” to the anti gun arm of the government . They could point to this and say “see, even the law abiding, legally licensed pro 2A folks can’t agree on how the 2nd amendment should be interpreted or applied”.
All the rhetoric here and from the government is directed to what the “law abiding” citizenry must/should do if we are to keep/bear arms. Licensing, training, background checks, transport, no gun zones, magazine capacity, ammo restrictions etc. Speaking of training, someone suggested starting in school K-6. We can’t even get our schools to teach history or science or geography and the like so what is the likelihood that gun safety could be considered useful.
Continued use of terms like “gun safety”, “gun violence”, “gun crime” etc. needs to be challenged. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. I once read, “guns don’t kill people, evil kills people. Jim Jones killed 900 people with Kool-Aid.” On going efforts need to be made to separate the inanimate gun from the crime.
I respectfully submit my thoughts and I am desperate to hear more dialog directed to and acknowledging the
criminal element whose actions are the entire reason we embrace 2A. Just think, if we and the government could be successful in achieving a totally safe, well trained responsible gun community-----we wouldn’t need self protection. Only need to protect ourselves from the gov’t.
In my humble opinion the constitutional right to bear arms is the right to bear arms. Any discussion about how, when , where or who just diminishes that right.
Welcome to the family,from Michigan.
Welcome, Welcome, Hope you & yours are staying safe, lots of good info & good folks to talk with.
No question in my mind re constitutional carry across all states. To bring that about, there has been discussion in politics re a reciprocity bill. I find many 2A folks in favor of it. I’m inclined to disagree.
We must recognize the principle of Unintended Consequences. A congressional bill may have good intentions, but experience negative consequences. If congress passes a bill such as reciprocity on a constitutional right, that congress is assuming power of control it is not granted by the constitution. What congress can pass, the next administration assumes the equal power to retract. No Right should fall under power of the State.
We must fight in courts and SCOTUS to bring every state under the 14th amendment – they cannot violate the federal constitution.