Talk about playing the justice system. This guy is legendary around here, every time we hear about a cell phone under the restroom wall or someone looking in a window we think “Little Jonathan is at it again…”. He’s gotten away with it a lot, arrested and turned loose to do it again.
To me the crime is the crime, the trial should be the trial. After conviction THEN we look at mental abilities and weigh those against sentencing not before.
If found guilty, mental status shouldnt come into play IMO. Dont care if hes crazy or not in full faculty, hes hurt to many people.
Some crimes should just get the punishment. Cant let people like this out on the street again, especially if they dont know right from wrong
When I saw the thread title I thought it was about Biden!!!
Turns out it’s not too far off being about the hair sniffing walking corpse.
Coincidence?
Yes, me too.
The charges themselves allege he used multiple social media profiles and apps, the dark web, and encrypted cloud storage to host his illicit photos and videos,
If the guy has the ability to perform the above, he is competent to stand trial. Furthermore the fact that he used the dark web and encryption points to him knowing that what he was doing was wrong and he was attempting to cover his tracks.
If he is not fit to stand trial, he certainly is not fit to be in society. If they are not going to incarcerate him they need to institutionalize him so that he can no longer harm others. My question is who is funding his legal counsel? Seems odd this man keeps being able to work the system using court appointed attorneys who get paid whether he gets off or not. Are his parents or guardians wealthy or well known members of the community?
That Sir is an excellent question. I’m going to do some digging into who is financing this guys defense.
I did a quick google search on his name and “parents” or “guardians” and came up with nothing. However with today’s media they have no issue regurgitating what they are told, but lack the ability to actually do any kind of investigative journalism, a story like this should have had the reporter looking to see if the guy’s lawyers were court appointed or hired. Something that sticks out in the story is that his Defense hired a psychologist expert. I highly doubt a court appointed lawyer has funds to hire defense experts. And if they do, I am moving to Utah.
I cannot describe here a fitting punishment that would assure no recidivism, but the days of being an unrelenting persistent offender would be over.
The only punishment that will prevent his behavior is removal from society. You can turn me into a eunuch tomorrow and I will not stop looking at women, clothed or unclothed.
It comes in small packages: 9mm, 10mm, .40, .45…
If he did the crime, thow him in jail for an eternity. If he’s mentally incompetant and did the crime, throw him in jail for an eternity. Either way if he’s a danger to others, off to the clink he goes regardless of mental competancy.
For one who had no sympathy for their victim/s, why should we look for an excuse to let them get away with their crime/s unpunished.
I am more, and more unapologetically unsympathetic.
‘faces competency hearings in federal court’.
Old ‘JJ’ should FACE the ducking FIRING SQUAD!, NO Blind fold, Let him see it coming!
The NGRI plea is over used in most cases in my opinion. During my 30 year LEO career we had one homicide where the suspect truly was insane. Many others attempt that plea and get rejected. All states should do away with the NGRI and have a Guilty But Insane verdict so the perpetrator is removed from society and get the treatment needed. Keeping them on the streets because they are insane is pathetic.
OK, so I’m an old guy… Back when I was just a know-it-all adolescent, just about every county that I knew had a place that the kids used to call the ‘funny farm’. Or more accurately, a local institution for those with mental or physical disabilities. AND back in those days, judges could (and would) rule that people like this would be detained in these facilities until they were deemed to be no longer a threat to themselves or others.
Also back in the day, you would have far less chances of some deranged child or teenager being inclined to do any kind of ‘mass violence’, be it at a school or anywhere else,. That is because these individuals would often show some sign of violent tendencies (animal abuse, etc.), so again, they would be sent to the ‘funny farm’ until they were no longer a threat.
Then the liberal bleeding hearts came along. “You are holding these people against their will” they would say. “You are violating their civil rights” they would say. “They are being treated inhumanely, and without dignity” they would say. And those same people came into power, changed laws, and defunded these mental health institutions to force them out of business.
The ‘Funny Farms’ were all forced to close. And the laws were changed so you can’t do anything to stop an individual from committing some heinous act until that act has actually been committed. Regardless of how many ‘red flags’ people saw, and the predictions that something would happen some day.
It’s about time that the Funny Farms (Excuse me, Mental Health facilities) make a strong return to our society.
Than the ACLU and others cam along and pretty much shut it down
TRUTH SIR,
I believe back in the day (1960’s-70’s) WE Citizens were much safer than we are today BECAUSE of the fact we did have places to put INSANE people till they could be evaluated and future action taken so they were not a harm to themselves or others. In New York City there was a place called ‘Creedmoor Psyche Center’ in the Borough of Queens was closed due to ‘mismanagement/tales of abuse’ by the Feel good ACLU who later on were found to not have any idea what they were talking about and ‘made-up’ abuses and tales of TORTURE so the city in their infinite wisdom closed it down and released the folk’s to the streets. Brilliant. Attached to the facility was the cities apparently best ‘Rehab center’ for folk’s struggling with drug and alcohol addiction. This too was closed creating a crisis for those seeking help in that area.
My Opinion? The city has never recovered. I lived right there on 249th street and the change to the neighborhood was dramatic and deadly because while the Facility was closed a lot of former ‘residents’ didn’t have anywhere to go because the city didn’t care and just booted the mobile one’s and placed the individuals that were handicapped physically in local hospitals (creating another crisis and over population) for workers ill prepared to deal with these new ‘clients’.
I say all this because this was how the .gov dealt with ‘problems’ for a long long time.
(they still do but today) but I am hopeful all these ‘Atrocities’ will be fixed to never happen again. That is what being a TRUMPER means to me. I believe he will help fix some of Societal woes and right the wrongs of previous administrations like letting our Veterans suffer and die on the streets and DE-fund a VA that isn’t for the Vet’s for but enriching themselves. (But that’s a whole nuther topic).
I pray the day of NOT being allowed to call things as they are may be coming to a close . Insane folk’s are insane folks, Criminals are Criminals! and Punishment should fit the Crime. The days of revolving door Justice , stealing up to $950 worth of sh!t isn’t a crime, and other whacked stuff that was the new normal should end immediately. These ‘Activists and Social Justice Warriors’ have done more damage to a boat load of good folk’s who just got in the way of the Socialist/Marxist Obama regime (and others) come to an end finally. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out on the streets who really shouldn’t be. Insanity Happens (just look at some of the folk’s who post here! )
IF YOU DO A CRIME YOU SHOULD DO THE TIME! (and if the atrocity is bad enough, they should pay with their lives). An EYE FOR AN EYE worked well for so long.
IT WAS A DETERANT! IF you commit a Crime there are CONSEQUENCES. Today? Owning an AR will get you more jail time than an idiot who steals—that ain’t right.
WWG1WGA
EDIT: A few changes to help this make sense!
Exodus 21:23-25, KJV
[23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
These verses represent in tremendous leap forward in terms of justice and proportionality in punishment for crimes involving injury or loss of property. In that time, many societies inflicted grossly exaggerated punishments for even relatively minor crimes. Petty theft often carried a death sentence, or amputation, or crippling beatings. The concept behind “an eye for an eye” was to make the punishment proportional to the severity to the crime. Implied within that proportionality is a recognition that acts falling under a particular category of crime may have differing levels of severity (damage to victim) and therefore be deserving of differing levels of punishment.
I have come to see these verses as a call for those in authority to exercise thoughtful, reasoned judgement and humanity when considering a just punishment to be pronounced against the proven criminal.
As always, MOO.
In my experience, here’s how mental cases worked (in Colorado).
People can be involuntarily committed for 72 hours by law enforcement via a Peace Officer Statement (POS) where the detention is based whether the individual is a threat or simply not able to coherently function. I did lots of those commitments. Then, it’s up to mental health docs and the holding facility to decide whether to keep people longer.
Doing a POS is a pain because the officer has to spend beaucoups time baby-sitting a nut job in the ER waiting for the on-duty psychiatrist from the county social services agency to show up and certify that the guy you found shouting behind an apartment complex complaining about ants, army ants and baby ants and carrying 30+ pocket knives is, indeed, crazy and needs to be involuntarily committed. Or, that woman who called to report a sniper on the roof of the liquor store is actually seeing things.
At trial, a defendant may be adjudicated as so mentally ill that they cannot understand the charges brought against them or assist in their defense. The individual is then committed to a mental health facility and regularly re-examined to determine whether they had reached a state of mental competency wherein a trial could proceed.
For example, a few years back, in Colorado Springs, a guy shot up a Planned Parenthood clinic with an AR and killed several people, including a UC policeman who responded to the call. He claimed he did it to save babies, but anyone who spent 5 minutes talking with him knew he was not in touch with this world. He was committed to the state hospital and every few months he’s called into court for a hearing to determine whether he is mentally competent to stand trial (he never is). He’s not been tried, convicted or sentenced, but languishes in a mental hospital until the day he might recover his mental capacity.
Mental health played no role in sentencing once the defendant is determined to be mentally competent.
The way I see it is the difference between criminals and law abiding people is discipline. Criminals don’t have it and law abiding people do. The reason we send people to prison is not to punish them but to teach them discipline so they will not break the laws. If they don’t learn to discipline themselves to follow the laws they stay in jail.