No, you should not just ignore the signs. That is illegal and you might as well not have a permit if you are going to ignore them. Businesses that put up these signs have no idea how stupid the idea of a gun free zone is.
Good work and well said. Wish a safe week and safety always.
Many gun laws are written for gun control and a waste of time. I have a very bad dislike or I can state that I HATE everyone of those legalistic gun laws. I carry just like you and I will continue when and where I go.
Training in the right direction is to help all of us and there are some laws written that can save lives from troubled people that are LIVING AND CARRYING A FIREARM, without laws to follow.
There is an app for that. Sorry, couldn’t resist,
but there really is an app that lists and maps friendly and unfriendly businesses, called Posted! Speaking only for myself, I subscribe to the “their house their rules” philosophy, with the modifier of, I decide to whom my money goes. So if a business has a no firearm policy, I will honor their rules by taking my money elsewhere.
That depends on what your state considered proper signage.
If the store puts up a red circle over a cigarette for ‘No Smoking’, do you ignore it and light up inside their business?
So… your view is that it is acceptable to violate the rights of others… as long as you are not caught, and in the case of your Texas sign, a violation of the law… as long as you are not caught, or in the possible event that something happens, you might be able to stop it…
A firearm in your boot, when entering another person’s property when that person has declared their property gun free is comparable to those who enter your land and hunt, camp, or perhaps even start a camp fire that gets away from them and perhaps becomes a brush fire that burns across the land to your neighbor’s house and destroys it.
It is difficult to claim to be ‘responsibly armed citizens’ when there is a disregard for the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of others, and the felling is the right to keep and bear arms is superior and trumps the rights of others. When a person states they will violate the rights of others, or violate laws, to do as they want, that is NOT responsible firearm ownership.
While it might be stupid to post ‘Gun Free’ signs, and it is about as effective as posting ‘Crime Free’ signs…
It is their right. The rights we all have are equal. To be responsibly armed citizens, we should all respect the rights of others and not think our right to carry is superior to the rights of others, or that it trumps their rights.
If a business has a rule, we either respect it, or we are taking the A-hole choice and disrespecting their rights, rules, and property.
The choices are simple. Secure your firearm in your vehicle and enter the business, or choose a firearm friendly business and take your money to that establishment.
Welcome to the Community @Kenneth114! Thanks for tagging me @TexasEskimo.
This is not legal advice but a little lesson on the law.
The Bill of Rights enumerates a list of rights we have (not given to us by the government) that the government cannot infringe. Upon ratification of the Bill of Rights, they only applied to the federal government as the states were considered the protectors of the people. It was not until after the Civil War and ratification of the 14th Amendment that the Courts started selectively incorporating the Bill of Rights with the due process clause of the 14th Amendment making them applicable to the states. As of today, the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th 6th and 8th Amendments have been incorporated with the 14th to apply to the states.
The key to your constitutional rights the rights are protected against government infringement by officials acting under the “color of law.” The constitution does not protect you from infringement from private persons with persons being broadly defined as any person or entity who can sue or be sued.
With that said, you have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to walk in to Walmart or my house to worship or pray, to speak freely, to do a newscast, peaceably assemble, to carry a firearm or to not be searched. Neither I nor Walmart are a government or acting under the color of law. PRIVATE PERSONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY SEE FIT AND PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY PLEASE IN PLACE with a few exceptions like discriminating based upon protected classes.
As to the original question, you need to weigh the risks you are willing to take in light of the laws applicable to where you are. With the exception of those places where deadly weapons are prohibited by statute, no guns signs are not enforceable in Kentucky, however, if you are asked to leave and do not, you can be charged with criminal trespass.
Other states laws are different and just having the weapon can lead to criminal charges. You need to know what the law is where you are to make the decision. You also must understand if there are other consequences under the law, such as, will a conviction revoke your license, can the offense enhanced based on multiple convictions making the penalties worse. And even if there aren’t additional legal consequences, could there be additional consequences outside the legal system, such as getting a job, keeping a job, professional or trade licenses. For instance, If I am convicted of a felony, I also lose my license to practice law. But, if I were convicted over and over again for criminal trespass, there is a pretty good chance that I could also face repercussions with the Kentucky Bar Association and the Kentucky Supreme Court.
Thanks @MikeBKY for the lesson.
Now, I would ask you all to do something, and that is to write letters and emails to companies that do not allow you to do things like carry a firearm in their business. Regardless of what your states laws are, and if you choose to carry anyway or to take your business elsewhere, write them and let them know that their actions are impacting their business. It may make a difference, it might not. You might get a response, typically I dont. Perhaps they dont want our business, or think that gun owners are a fringe group and believe the media that there are only a handful of us around. We need to be heard, and there is a lot we can do as individuals. We dont need to wait on the NRA, GOA, 2nd AF to do something for us.