I have a Utah permit, I’m a resident. I got it before the laws changed to Constitutional Carry. I had no idea it was one of the more desirable permits.
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I posed my question to the people at Delta Defense because they are on the frontline pushing for National Reciprocity. Here is their answer:
“ Thank you for reaching out to Delta Defense, service provider to the U.S. Concealed Carry Association.
That’s a great question but alas until the final bill is proposed and runs its course through congress and onto the president’s desk only speculation can be garnered. There’s no real telling if reciprocity between states would extend to permitless/constitutional carry or if it would require a permit, this could be problematic for some people especially for those in states like Vermont where there simply is no permit at all and constitutional carry is the law of the land. Until more information is to be had from the proposed law I can’t really guide you in any direction other than to see what certain states have done regarding the same.”
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I’m betting you’ll still need a permit out of state (yeah I know “constitutional carry”). Frankly I’ll be thrilled if the permit is good across the board-I doubt it’ll ever get past the Left in the Senate but we can hope.
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I imagine it will be like a driver’s license. They are recognized in all 50 states, but failure to have a license when you drive will land you in trouble. For those states with permit less carry, they are granting their own citizens the right they deserve, but other states will, I’m sure, not recognize it. In my state, permit less carry has restrictions that don’t apply if you have a permit, so in reality, permit less carry could be a risky proposition. If you don’t know the limits you have the “illusion” it’s ok to carry in situations where it’s illegal without the proper permit. For this reason alone, even if national reciprocity goes through for everyone, knowing all the fine print would be a nightmare for non CCW holders.
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Great topic. IDK. I wonder if one would not be in violation of federal law/level, but can be in violation at the state level, if the state one’s in does not honor a certain right (at the state level).
For now, I try to know of the laws of the state I might travel to/in.
My state is far from ideal. But, I’m kinda lucky that the state I’m in, uniquely, our state’s CCL/Permit is widely accepted by many other states, “go figure”.
Your question “struck a cord” with me a few years ago, I went ahead and applied for CCW/Permit from three other states, as a non state resident. So I got 4 now. That combo has me covered in most all the states I’d ever visit.
Was it a hassle, did it cost me? Yes; Though still I wish the remaining states would honor and accept, so I do support nationwide reciprocity but I also support education and training.
Gary263, “a friend of mine says”, ‘Hey, cool dog you got there’!
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@Gary263 
PERMITS!!! WE DON’T NEED NO STINKING PERMITS!!! 
2A says RKBA 
NOT RKBA WITH A PERMIT!!!
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He is a cool dog. He’s also now a senior citizen dog and may not be around for too much longer. I’m going to miss him.
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“…but you can’t cross into CA after 12/31/2034 driving a gas-guzzler.”
Just a worst case scenario playing in my head,
similar to how the petty tyrants in the state limit magazine capacity, require “featureless” ARs, and created a “roster of handguns legal for sale.”
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There will be no national reciprocity
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I hear that! That’s why when my wife and I retired we said Adios to the People’s Republic! They’ve decided to Trump proof the state so you can count on no reciprocity from what once was a great place to live. Won’t be long you won’t be able to tell the difference between Calif and China. Sad!
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If I had to put money on it I would definitely bet on that. I do think there is a very slightly higher chance they at least put a bill up for a vote this time unlike during the first two years of Trump 1.0 when the Republicans also controlled the house and the senate and they never even brought this to the floor for a vote.
The current administration is going to have to introduce a lot of very unpopular laws if they want to try to fix the disaster the Republicans and Democrats have created over the past several decades. Or they can continue the status quo and keep robing us and future generations blind. Either way they might try to at least put a couple bills like national reciprocity up for a vote to try to build up a little good will amongst their base before they start pissing everyone off.
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Really, it’ll be known as “CaliChina”.
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Based on what I’m hearing, as of today, the bill will likely pass the senate. However, even if/when signed into law it does not usurp state laws and one, apparently, would need a concealed carry permit in order to be able to prove that you are allowed to carry concealed in your home state. So states, like CA, that like to pass unconstitutional laws will likely pass more such laws to “combat” this new law. Unfortunately, regardless of the constitutionality of such laws, once caught up in it it’s always a burden to get out of it.
Even so, I’ll call it a small victory that perhaps paves the road to true compliance with the constitution one day. One can dream, right?
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I’ll believe it when I see it. They will have to pass it before the next active shooter event gives all the RINOs some cover to flash their true anti gun colors. They will also need to write the bill properly or it will be far too easy for the anti self defense States to keep playing the court games you mentioned which would make the law virtually useless.
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But isn’t that every Conservative law?
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That is pretty much every law. They are all so poorly worded that they get interpreted every which way. Then there are the hundreds (sometimes thousands) of extra pages of pork barrel fat thrown into each law that have nothing to do with the original law. Not to mention the politicians don’t give themselves enough time to read through all that garbage before they have to vote on it. Probably on purpose to give themselves cover for continuing to pass laws that keep robing us blind and blatantly violating our rights.
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That is why I am an advocate for single line item bills in legislation, just one issue at a time without any piggyback pork barrel items hidden in the text.
The current “Constitutional” and a National Resiprocity bills are single issue bills in legislation so that multiple issues are not involved with either.
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