Current state of “Constitutional” Permitless carry

Legal & Second Amendment Reciprocity
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Currently it is not universal nationwide, pending congressional approval of a bill that could enact that.

Currently it’s a hodgepodge patchwork of 29 separate states with their own laws / restrictions that may vary widely including honoring each other for reciprocity.

A NCCR Act bill and / or a Constitutional Carry bill would make that nationwide, and more uniform with fewer differences.

29/50 states = 58% nearly 60% is are Permitless carry; that is more than it has ever been.

We just have to get the other 40% holdouts to jump onboard with that majority.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/content/ar-AA1xNL67?ocid=sapphireappshare

NC maybe the next, 30th state, to offer Permitless carry.

Reciprocity: This is another issue, and depends on your state of residence.

YMMV = depending on your home state
Your Mileage May Vary, a lot.

As I reside in TN that is the state that I will compare.

TN honors 48 other states. You want to come to a gun friendly state, come visit TN.

TN (HCPs) Handgun Carry Permits currently are honored by 37 other states.

Passage of legislation would make that available nationwide.

My Senators, and Congressman are in favor of this legislation.

My Congressman is a cosponsor of a bill being pushed before Congress now.

We are closer to realizing this than we have ever been before.

I think with the current administration / climate in Washington DC that this is the best time to push this forward.

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I guess I take for granted the luxury of living in a gun decent state, Utah. There are only a couple of other states I ever go to and they are also 2A friendly. A National law would certainly be helpful but I suspect there would still be a couple of hundred other state laws that would complicate all of this.

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My hope is that these bills will address that issue, and greatly simplify it.

As with any law or contract it is only as good as all parties are held to.

There will likely be those who will test that.

Those that would deviate need to be brought in line immediately.

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Lets start with i fully support it! Im in MA, so makes me wonder bout one thing tho… state laws, beyond the permit laws … would potentially make it dangerous to carry in a different state if your not up on the states laws (ammo restrictions (like jhp banned in NJ) and 10 round states… just curious everyones thoughts on how that would play out… NOT what u feel about it! Lol. We all feel that way

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First, I’m not a real fan of ANY Federal law concerning guns, I just think it opens the door the the nibble nibble CHOMP thing. That said, my guess is it will be similar to marijuana but in reverse. Some states make it totally legal but the Federal Government keeps it illegal. I suspect there would be a softening of enforcement in most places while in other places they’ll tighten up on laws and enforcement.

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I hear you and agree. The proposed legislation is supposed to get states back on track with the 2A, Second Amendment of the Constitution which, is supposed to be the Supreme law of the land, and might also even the playing field from all the different state hybrid laws that they impose.

In the meantime we do have to deal with all the different state laws even if they have Resiprocity with, and honor your home state CCW permit whatever your state calls it.

It’s your responsible to know, and abide by the state’s laws that you are in.

USCCA has a great tool for that, their Resiprocity Map and Laws free app. You can do your homework before you go on any road trip, and lookup each state on your itinerary.

Another member who travels a lot suggests what long-haul over the road truckers do: Find yourself a good factory gun and magazine including a ten round semi auto pistol, or a six round wheel revolver, and not worry about fluctuating capacity laws from state to state, same thing with ammunition.

Got me to thinking about choosing one that is acceptable in all the states you will visit.

Or, maybe as few different types as possible.

Maybe have several different magazines, and load them with what is compliant in the most restrictive states, and with a Sharpie marker put the two letter postal abbreviation on each magazine that it is good in, like NJ for them with FMJ ammo, not JHP.

I plan a visit to the Smoky Mountains National Park that straddles TN & NC, both have mutual Resiprocity with each other.

The park enforces the state laws for whatever jurisdiction that it occupies.

Each state has a different ammunition restriction: TN’s is no explosive ammo, and NC is no armor piercing ammo. I would not have either type, so that’s not a problem for me.

If you want to have the maximum capacity magazine for each state you visit buy that many magazines and mark them according to the state that allows that and change them as you enter each different state but, be careful, and don’t forget.

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I hear you and agree. The proposed legislation is supposed to get states back on track with the 2A, Second Amendment of the Constitution which, is supposed to be the Supreme law of the land, and might also even the playing field from all the different state hybrid laws that they impose.

In the meantime we do have to deal with all the different state laws even if they have Resiprocity with, and honor your home state CCW permit whatever your state calls it.

It’s your responsible to know, and abide by the state’s laws that you are in.

USCCA has a great tool for that, their Resiprocity Map and Laws free app. You can do your homework before you go on any road trip, and lookup each state on your itinerary.

Another member who travels a lot suggests what long-haul over the road truckers do: Find yourself a good factory gun and magazine including a ten round semi auto pistol, or a six round wheel revolver, and not worry about fluctuating capacity laws from state to state, same thing with ammunition.

Got me to thinking about choosing one that is acceptable in all the states you will visit.

Or, maybe as few different types as possible.

Maybe have several different magazines, and load them with what is compliant in the most restrictive states, and with a Sharpie marker put the two letter postal abbreviation on each magazine that it is good in, like NJ for them with FMJ ammo, not JHP.

I plan a visit to the Smoky Mountains National Park that straddles TN & NC, both have mutual Resiprocity with each other.

The park enforces the state laws for whatever jurisdiction that it occupies.

Each state has a different ammunition restriction: TN’s is no explosive ammo, and NC is no armor piercing ammo. I would not have either type, so that’s not a problem for me.

If you want to have the maximum capacity magazine for each state you visit buy that many magazines and mark them according to the state that allows that, and change them as you enter each different state but, be careful, and don’t forget.

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I could work with the restrictions of a restrictive state, so long as there was a foundation of allowing me to actually possess and carry there in the first place. Now, personally, I think all the BS restrictions like magazine capacity are, well, BS, but still.

You may have modifications on your vehicle, like window tint, lift kit, custom lighting, that are legal in your state but not another. You need to know that before you drive your vehicle into that state. Same with carrying. If you’re traveling to NJ, leave all the JHP ammo and 15 round magazines home. At least you’re not going to be arrested for driving into the state with a handgun.

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That reminds me about having different capacity magazines and ammunition traveling into different states.

Keep anything prohibited locked away not acceptable to you in the passenger compartment of your vehicle so that if you find yourself in a traffic stop you won’t have anything prohibited in your reach for the LEO to find, and change you with.

If you travel into a state with any capacity limits, or ammunition restrictions, be sure not to have that available to you.

Maybe locked in a portable gun safe in your trunk secured to your vehicle, out of plane sight, maybe under your spare tire.

Both for not having any of that stolen from your vehicle, and being able to say you are being compliant with state laws.

Or, just travel with no more than a ten round capacity firearm, and if traveling to, or through NJ, don’t have any JHP ammo, only FMJ.

And, not have to worry about changing anything from state to state or, having an LEO charging for having anything prohibited even locked away.

Be safe out there.

Support any legislation that supports 2A, and eliminate any of this nonsense as being an issue in the first place.

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Personally, I favor 9mm, JHP, extended magazine capacity at least in the upper teens to twenty one rounds wanting as much advantage as I can afford, or is feasible for concealed carry without printing.

A good cover garment that is not out of season, and a tell in itself is a consideration.

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Fair to assume your in a free state, if u oppose federal laws? Lol. Even federal laws dont help some of us, when my state ignores supreme court rulings and federal law anyways :man_shrugging:t2:

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Yes, I reside in Tennessee that comparatively is much less restrictive than many other states.

Basically, with or without a permit of lawful age 18, a citizen who is not prohibited by state, or federal law. Not a felon, a fugitive, a violent criminal, no history of DUI, domestic violence, or stalking, not the subject of an order of protection.

Being a natural born citizen, retired military (honorably discharged), home owner, meeting all the above with, or without a permit I may carry open, or concealed as I choose anywhere that is permitted, or otherwise not prohibited like secure areas that are GFZs most everywhere: Airports, schools, courts in session, post offices, the usual places that are GFZs.

Tennessee doesn’t have a capacity limit, and their only restriction is on explosive ammunition.

That is a far cry better than NY, or CA, and other anti-2A states.

Tennessee has Reciprocity, and honors 48 other states, and is honored by 37 other states.

By contrast for instance NY has zero Reciprocity with any other state, and up and downstate counties require the others’ endorsement, which is to say incurring the cost of applying, and being approved by the other.

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If reciprocity passes, and you can suddenly enter New York State with a handgun, DO NOT, under any circumstances bring a magazine with greater than 10 round capacity into the state, even locked in the trunk. Major prison time just for having the magazine, even if it’s locked out of reach. I’ve seen articles of people that accidentally left just a magazine, no gun or ammo at all, in a travel bag, and were arrested on felony charges of possessing an illegal high capacity feeding device at the airport in NY.

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That’s why I escaped NY. They are more fanatical than the bad old USSR, and their KGB.

But, that is also at an Airport TSA security checkpoint in a carryon bag subject to search, not checked luggage.

But, your point is well taken.

Why risk it in NY?

Just don’t bring it.

Now if you were an illegal immigrant , crazy, gang banger menacing the general “privileged” public you could be let go for brandishing / menacing / threatening with a bazooka, RPG, machine gun, tank, and maybe told that you should not do that, be a good little hooligan, and don’t get caught next time. Or, a Good Samaritan helping an innocent, and get crucified.

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By the way: A bit more on this bill:

Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., and a slew of other House Republicans are pushing a proposal that would compel states to allow Americans to carry guns in public areas.

The measure, dubbed the “National Constitutional Carry Act,” would prohibit states and localities from limiting U.S. citizens from carrying firearms in public if they are eligible to have the weapons under [state and federal law]

(Law News, Articles & Updates | Fox News | Fox News).

"By prohibiting state or local restrictions on the right to bear arms, H.R. 645 upholds the original purpose of the [Second Amendment]

(Second Amendment | Fox News)—to ensure the security of a free state—while safeguarding individual liberties against government infringement," Massie noted, according to a press release

(I think that sounds simple enough, getting back to 2A basics, not any wiggle room to finagle.

I hope it passes both houses of congress to the Pres. I am sure he would sign it.)

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I just renewed my NC CCW permit. It covers 37 states. Other than the $92 (for 5 years) it has reciprocity with 37 States. With Trump’s position to make states more responsible how that might affect the legislation?

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I‘m not sure :thinking:.

But, Trump makes a lot of common sense, and seems to be correcting a lot that was wrong. So, I’m hopeful for a positive outcome.

I’m a neighbor in TN, we honor 48 states, and are also honored by 37 other states for an 8 year CCW. I am hoping for nationwide, all 50 states.

But, we are still better off than a lot.

We honor each other’s state, and can hop our border in the Smokes, no problems.

I hope that we get I-40 fixed soon along with all the other damage.

Glad Biden is out!

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North Carolina allows open carry and may be the 30th State to pass constitutional concealed carry:

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30/50, that a full 60% of the states onboard now.

We just need to get the legislation passed that will bring the other 40% along to make this nationwide.

We are making strides to getting this a done thing.

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It was a change of administration that fixed it in Utah. The bill passed the house and senate but Gov Herbert vetoed it. He left office and Gov Cox was elected, the bill passed the house and senate and he signed it. The best way to do it is to change the administration but I suppose in the deep dark Left Wing states that’s easier said than done.

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