I have a laser and light combo on my Sig M17. I noticed the jumpiness when I was zeroing the laser at 15 yards. I have it set that when the 500 lumen light comes on, the red laser dot appears in the middle of the light cone.
I don’t see that laser as a precision aiming tool. I use it as a guide during low light and point shooting. It is also useful when shooting around obstacles or when I might be unable to use a normal stance and-or hold.
Example: i would place the pistol around a barrier and only expose one eye around the same obstacle. We are talking about very minimal exposure to the threat here. My head would not be behind the gun. All the bad guy would see is a pistol, 1/2 or less of my head, and a blinding light.
I would acquire the target, illuminate it with the light and the laser dot and fire, then withdraw behind cover. It was a neat little drill and I still practice it.
Laser sights are fun too shoot at the range but I probably wouldn’t rely on it for self defense unless I was shooting at very short range. The slightest movement of your hand while firing the shot and it will be way off. It’s almost like playing tag with the laser or chasing it when you pull the trigger.
The SIRT pistol is fantastic for dry fire training especially if used on laser ammo’s smokeless range or IMTTS system. I highly recommend them. They’re what I use
In a stress filled life-or-death situation, the last thing you need is the distraction of a bouncing red or green light down range. Get better with iron sights and dump the laser gadget. Lasers are toys, not tools in my view.
well I have a lazer on my 9mm and at first had the same problem jumping but then found out that it was my factory trigger causing the problem . I changed the trigger and bingo no more problems . shooting just as I should ,hitting target right were I aim
I have both traditional pistols and Ar pistols. I have dot sights and laser back-up on my Ar pistols and iron sights/laser on my traditional pistols. One thing to keep in mind with a laser; the laser beam will be straight and flat for as far as you can see it but the bullet will drop with range. Using a laser boresight to zero a laser sight will get you close but you will still have to shoot at your preferred range in order to fine-tune for that distance.
The main role of all my weapons is self/home defense. As such, normal engagement ranges are going to be short (25 yds or less) and my weapons are zeroed at 15 yards. At those ranges, bullet drop is not a significant issue. When I go to the range, I practice with all of the sighting devices on the particular weapon (iron sights, dot sights, and lasers).
Theoretically, if a laser sight is zeroed correctly, you should only have to see where the laser is pointed to be on target.
However, when I am shooting with the laser as my aiming device, I still use a solid shooting stance and look down the slide/barrel at the target. Doing this assures a proper solid shooting stance and less chance of the weapon drifting off target as the trigger is pulled. Also, as others have commented, proper trigger squeeze is imperative in keeping the weapon pointed at the target.
My opinion, for defensive shooting, time is almost (almost) as important a factor as accuracy. So depending on how long you took to fire those, it might actually be perfect. Too small of a group necessarily means it took too long. See the term “Defensive accuracy” I guess. Or “practical accuracy”. Or something
Besides, shooting a handheld pistol while standing is a pretty darn unstable condition, there is a certain wobble zone that is unavoidable and a smooth trigger press, even a very quick smooth trigger press, doesn’t make the bullet come out the exact instant you decide you want it to, so, you have to take the shots within your wobble zone, more or less.
Your target looks like the shots are almost entirely within that ‘wobble zone’, so, really, I don’t think I’d change a thing except shooting more to keep those groups and slowly up the speed as you have fun training on the range.
