Illegal search and seizure. Seeking Legal assistance

Overview of accident/gun case

On Thursday, November 6, 2025 at approximately 1:30 pm, while traveling to my work headquarters located near downtown Chicago, I was involved in a motor vehicle accident(MVA).

While traveling westbound I-94, on the ramp from where the Bishop Ford Fwy turns into the Dan Ryan Expressway,about a mile south of 87th St., I noticed the vehicles ahead of me beginning to slow down, signaled to me by their brake lights. I began to slow with the traffic around me. It was at this time that I was struck by another vehicle from behind. The impact made my vehicle do a 180 spin to where I was facing oncoming traffic. During that spin, I saw a white vehicle rolling over into the lane next to mine.

Once at a stop, I checked myself for any apparent injuries and though I was definitely shook up, I was able to tell I had no cuts or visible damage from the accident. Due to seeing the other vehicle flipping over my concern then shifted to that vehicle. I unbuckled my seatbelt and exited my vehicle to go check on the other car. Upon walking up to the vehicle I quickly observed my surroundings to be sure it was safe for me to assist. Seeing no visible danger, I checked on the individual inside the vehicle.

The driver(she), seemed to be alright from what I could tell. I informed her to stay still as I was going to call 911 to get assistance out to us.

It took about 5-7 minutes before Illinois State Police showed up on scene. Upon arrival, Trooper Carroll immediately asked me to try to move my vehicle. Knowing I had my firearm in the vehicle, I let Trooper Carroll know it was in the vehicle and the location of it.(Center console). I also informed him that I was an Indiana resident and that I was traveling to work. The Trooper advised me I had every right to have it on me and not to worry about that.

He proceeded to allow me into my vehicle to try moving the vehicle. To my surprise, the vehicle did move and I positioned it out of the lane of traffic and onto the shoulder. Afterwards, Trooper Carroll asked if I could provide my license and registration for the vehicle. I informed him that this was my father’s vehicle and that I was unsure of where those documents were for sure located. I told him that before I began looking for it, if for his peace of mind, if we could secure my firearm in the trunk. He obliged and I let him place it in my trunk. I then found my dad’s insurance and registration documents and provided them to the trooper.

It was at this time Chicago Fire Department(CPD) arrived and began checking on myself and the other driver. I had some discomfort in my lower back and requested that I get checked out to be sure I didn’t have any unseen injuries. While thinking about what was to come, I asked the officer what would be done with my firearm if I got transported to the hospital. Trooper Carroll informed me that 1 of 2 things could happen.

The first possibility was that I would get transported to the hospital and that the Trooper would inventory my firearm with my vehicle for the tow. He would then secure it and it would be transported to Des Plaines, IL. (My assumption was that was the State Police Headquarters.) I would then have to retrieve it when I would get time to travel down there.

The second possibility was that Trooper Carroll informed me that some local hospitals have lock boxes for incidents like this and that upon arrival to the hospital, my firearm would be secured, and that once done being checked out, I would be able to retrieve it and proceed home.

The second option seemed like a much better option as then I would be able to get my firearm back sooner.

After speaking with the EMT’s from CFD and informing them of my decision, I asked if they would allow me to secure my holstered firearm back on my hip for transportation to the hospital. They had no objection and allowed me to put my firearm back on my person.

I then loaded up into the ambulance where I was hooked up to some devices that monitored my pulse among other things.

I was transported to Roseland Community Hospital located in Chicago at 45 W. 111th St. Chicago IL. 60628.

Upon arrival to the hospital, I was wheeled by stretcher into the emergency room. Once inside the emergency room, the EMT’s that accompanied me in the ambulance informed the security staff that I had a concealed firearm and that I would need it secured.

The security staff acknowledged the request and stated they needed to get the supervisor on duty to do that. While waiting for the supervisor to arrive, one of the ER doctors walked over to see what brought me in. I informed him that I was in a MVA and that I had lower back pain. He asked me to point to where it was and I did. While leaning forward and to the left to indicate the position of my pain, my shirt must’ve came above my holstered firearm. The doctor immediately asked the EMT’s what that was. They explained to the doctor that we were in the process of securing it. The doctor stated that there were to be no firearms in this part of the ER, and that it should’ve never made it past the front doors. The EMT’s stated nobody was posted at that desk and that’s why we were here waiting with security.

After approximately 5 minutes, the security supervisor arrived and we once again explained the situation to her. She was informed I was an Indiana resident carrying legally in my vehicle and that we needed to secure the firearm. She had the EMT’s wheel me into a side room of the ER so I could take my firearm off my person.

I undid my belt and slid my holstered firearm off and onto my lap. Security then proceeded to take it from me and began to attempt to render it safe. I informed them that the magazine was loaded, and that there was a round in the chamber. With lots of difficulty, they finally rendered my firearm safe and placed it into some sort of clear plastic belongings bag.

The supervisor then demanded I empty my pockets and asked if I had anything else dangerous on my person. I explained I did not and once again restated I was legally carrying my firearm.

Security staff then exited that room and stated they were going to secure my firearm. I was then taken to an ER waiting room to be triaged. While waiting, the same security guy who rendered my firearm safe came out and asked for my first and last name. He, now known to me as Marshall, stated he needed my info to secure the firearm. I gave him my info and he walked back into the ER area.

It was around this time that Trooper Carroll arrived to provide me with the accident report as well as my drivers license and vehicle documents back.

After close to 8 hours in the ER after numerous tests, I realized it was close to being time to go. Because I was being picked up by my dad, I decided I would ask security what the process would be to get my firearm back. I asked this as to not delay my dad any further from having to wait outside in his vehicle.

Marshall came back in and informed me that he would go ask the CPD officer onsite how that was going to work.

Upon Marshall coming back, he explained that my firearm had been “possibly” transferred over to CPD and they “should’ve” brought it to Chicago Police Department Area 2 Police Center. This station is located about 1 mile east of the hospital at 727 E. 111th St. Chicago IL. 60628.

Due to Marshall seeming unsure in his answers to the process and the current location of my firearm I responded by questioning why my firearm had been moved from the lockbox and transported without anyone mentioning those facts to me. He informed me that all firearms are transferred over to CPD once inside the ER.

Marshall then explained I would now have to speak with CPD down the road to get my firearm back.

It was around this same time I was discharged from the ER and allowed to leave the hospital. My dad picked me up and we went over to CPD police station down the street.

Upon entering the building, I was greeted my a an officer at the main desk who asked me what I was there for. I explained my situation and she responded with a very puzzled look. Not sure with what I was asking, she called over the Sergeant on duty and I explained once again my situation. He stated he had never heard of the process I just explained. He then stepped away and got on the phone to see if this happened on an earlier shift.

While waiting for any news on my belongings, I asked the lady working the desk if this was a common thing that happens. She stated she has never heard of, or seen anything like this before. She stated hospitals have lockboxes for a reason and she was unsure of this whole process herself.

About 5 mins later , another “white shirt” came down to me and introduced himself to me as a lieutenant for CPD. He stated that he was aware of this situation and that I “seemed incoherent” while at the hospital.

I immediately question the Lieutenant on what he meant by that statement. He responded that hospital staff said that I appeared out of it and that’s why the firearm was transported.

The Lieutenant then explained the process on how to get my firearm back. He mentioned to me that anytime a firearm is received by CPD, that it must go through a ballistic test. Basically where they fire the firearm in a secure manner and then run tests on it to see if it’s been involved in a crime. I would then have to provide documentation such as: proof of purchase and identification to retrieve it. My firearm would be transferred to CPD ballistic laboratory located at 1011 S Homan Ave Chicago, IL. 60624.

He stated that even after all of this, the final say as to whether or not I would receive my firearm back would be given by the Commander of CPD.

I once again explained my situation and how I was carrying legally and that I didn’t feel that all this was necessary. He informed me that this is just CPD procedure.

I was then given a hand written note that included the RD number and an Inventory number that they(CPD) stated corresponded with my firearm.

My concern is that this seems to be a violation of my rights. Being that I was lawfully carrying my firearm on my person and inside the vehicle. It was confirmed by Trooper Carroll and numerous members of CPD STAFF.

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Welcome to the forum, Ryan. We’re glad you found us.

Sorry to hear you about your troubles. It is a sorry state of affairs when we do everything legally and crap like this happens. I was involved in a situation not long ago where my weapon was confiscated pending investigation. I was cleared of any wrongdoing, and my weapon was returned - eventually. Local PD did their ballistics tests and researched the serial number to ensure it wasn’t stolen, blah, blah, blah, and I considered selling the weapon just because they have all that evidence.

I still have the weapon. I couldn’t bear to part with her.

Get a lawyer who is well versed in gun law. If you are a member of USCCA, CALL THEM. Trying to get it back on your own would be a nightmare.

In my case, I have a friend who is a lawyer and she took my case Pro Bono. She hounded our local PD for a week until I got my weapon back.

Get a lawyer. Stay calm. Do the legwork. Jump through the hoops. Get you piece back. KEEP EVERY SHRED OF DOCUMENTATION INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT.

Please keep us updated.

Edited for content.

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Without REASONABLE suspicion of a crime being committed and no warrant, It seems like a clear cut violation of your 4th amendment rights as laid out by our Constitution, but I am not a lawyer.

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Welcome to the community! Sad that your first post is of this nature.

If you were incoherent, did the ER doctor document it? If not, and people conspired to trample on your rights, I would let a lawyer “take care” of them.

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What an unfortunate situation to happen in the United States!
This used to be a free country!
Had you been an illegal alien tattooed gang member with a Palestinian flag smuggling children and or drugs across the border, I imagine they would have let you keep your firearm during the entire ordeal and may have even rewarded you with a free box of ammo upon discharge!

I seriously think we’re on the wrong side!
We abide by the law and we’re taken advantage of every chance they get!
Never trust anyone! In particular sanctuary cities. Unless you’re an illegal! You probably could have gotten free housing a credit card, a new phone and a new car!
That ever happens to me, I’m claiming asylum!
Isn’t that how it works?
Seriously though, my middle name is lawyer!
I agree totally that the incoherence should be a part of the hospital diagnosis! ( you “seemed” incoherent is not a diagnosis ).
Actually you were allegedly a suspect until they cleared your firearm!
Get a hungry pissed off wolf of a lawyer and have the hospital and CPD pound salt!

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Welcome Ryan231. I hope things work out for you. Brave of you to share such a fascinating and well written story.

I’ve driven on that same road and know lots of collisions occur round those parts. I’ve seen collisions occur there and had to call 911 for two cars I saw crash, though my car was not affected.

It can happen to any of us. I was I Indiana a few weeks ago, hunting, when the authorities stopped me, checked my hunt license, checked my hunting rifle and wished me a great day, they were really cool.

I’ve been on some first-hand hospital experiences as well. Hospitals, as good as they are, sometimes are obligated to report concerns, eve if it is minor or slight. You were quite keen to pick up on and catch that you were literally (though not officially) “red flagged” by the hospital. It may have been just a minor suspicion on their part, but the brain behaves in unusual ways after a stressful event, which you pointed out in your story, so when they saw that, they escalated it.

In Illinois, health care workers are also mandated reporters to the IL FOID registry, when they suspect intellectual disability, though since it was just an ER visit, I doubt they reported you officially to FOID.

A lot of patients in MVC’s receive concussions and traumatic brain injuries, which will put health care workers on an even more alert.

Unfortunately, it was Chicago, who may be less educated and less accepting of our rights. Not all are like that there, but many are.

Please do not blame them, they were just doing their job, they do not know you, nor know all your legal credentials, so they were erring on the side of caution “brother”.

Yes, I’ve seen some of those hospital lock boxes – they do exist.

In the long run, since your firearm was not used in a crime, I suspect you will get it back.

Too bad our society has so much red tape.

I could be wrong, and I’d keep this on the “down low”, but if you are a legal resident of Indiana, even if you have an Indiana permit, unfortunately, Illinois does not accept or have reciprocity with Indiana, despite Indiana being so cool to accept Illinois conceal carry permit.

You sound “cool as a cucumber” and are tons smarter than I was when I was your age. What I learned the hard way, is I make sure I have not one, but two copies of my vehicle registration, which I can retrieve easily under the many bright a _ _ lights installed in my interior car roof. My point being, I give the officers nothing to be suspicious of me for, except I cannot hide the fact how “dorky” I always look (that s _ _ _ gets me into trouble).

If indeed you do not have an Illinois CCL permit, I thought I read that the firearm must be locked in an opaque box, unloaded, and ammo separate or at least locked in another similar box. I’m not saying it’s right, but if the lawman found out that’s “how you rolled”, that might have contributed to their decisions that day.

Don’t ask, don’t tell? Again, I’m no pro, but I read that in IN and in IL, we are not required to volunteer to tell the officers that we are carrying. When you did that, that led to the remaining events, like Dominos falling.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/il-gun-laws/#recStates

I was not there. I’m playing “Monday morning quarterback” here. I don’t know if I would have done anything different than you. I guess I might try to keep that holstered on my body, but as you pointed out, the doctor saw it before the security guard at the hospital had a chance to secure it.

Of course, no fault of yours, but if you were not involved in a collision, or liability case - if instead you were more of a medical case in the ER, such as high blood pressure, abdominal; pain, etc., no police involved, it might be more of a matter between you and the hospital only. But because people got injured in traffic - more parties scrutinize your case.

I once heard an attorney say while doing a group presentation, that in the entire USA, the county of Cook has one of the highest - if the not the highest number of law suits at any given time.

A part of me also thinks if you play it cool, be patient, and keep a low profile, you will get your property back. I know it’s only a matter of time before it happens to me too. That’s why I saved up for more, so when it does happen, I got my “back up” (Jake from State Farm) at home.

Wish you “well”, hope you update us. Hoping someday, you will look back on it and have some laughs about it. Appreciate you, as I believe this is a good way for all of us to learn and become more proactive to protect our rights.

Coincidentally, I just purchased a vehicle firearm lock box yesterday, as my old cheaper one’s locking mechanism broke apart. Hopefully this next brand will be a good one. But you are making me think, if I get into an MVC, if I have a chance, should I lock it up in my car before heading to the ER? What if I get badly hurt, I might not be able to.

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@Ryan231 Welcome to the community! You’ve gotten great input here from the community, hopefully you’ll be able to retrieve your firearm without further issues. Question is, “you’ve been cleared, here’s your firearm, have a nice”. You may be now in Chicago’s system (on their radar) for future reference. Maybe as the community has mentioned, consult with a lawyer in your state to see if there was any wrongdoing especially by the statement that the (anti-gun) doctor made about you. Keep us posted, as these are good lessons to be learned for us gunowners on down the road.

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This is a very well done write up of the situation. Thank you very much for sharing.

I spent the first part of my life in IL (not Chicago land). I travel back to IL a couple times per year. I don’t mean to hijack the thread, but any input on whether I am allowed to bring a firearm into the state for say, a week long visit? I find this resource from ISP which seems to indicate I can as long as I keep it locked in my vehicle. (I would move it to a family member’s home while in state.)

Both my wife and I have home state CCW’s for reference. So I think we could leave it in a locked case, unloaded, ammo separate for the duration of the trip.

Note: the link works, it will download a PDF.

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Ryan, I have to admit that I didn’t even get to the end of your story. Once I saw the location you are dealing with and the basics of your experience, I stopped reading to save my own blood pressure.

That being said As a rural NW-IL resident here, all I can say is “Welcome to ‘Crook County’ Illinois.”

I won’t even go into the details of an incident I had some years back. But I was arrested there for a completely bogus charge one day. At the satellite station, the arresting officer even told me (in so many words) that the arrest was bogus, and that I would easily win in court. However, IF I chose to go that route, they would book me for the charges, impound my car, etc.. I would have to pay to get bailed out, pay to get my car out of impound, pay an attorney, go through likely multiple court dates (while taking off work) with court costs, and so on. OR.. I could accept a deal for a reduced misdemeanor charge on the spot, pay the $500 fine, and go on my way immediately.

Any guesses which one I chose to do??

Everything about the area you are dealing with is corrupt as hell. It really doesn’t matter if you are totally in the right, and that your rights were 100% violated. Unless you are willing to pay the huge price to find the correct attorney to pay off the correct judge, none if it matters.

Just do whatever you need to do to put the situation behind you, and consider yourself lucky. Regardless of how unsavory it seems.

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Sinbad,

As with anything else, it depends on your situation. First off, it makes no difference that you and your wife have local CCW’s. IL doesn’t recognize any others.

Obviously, there should be no reason why traveling with your secured firearm in accordance with ISP regulations shouldn’t be any issue. But you can also see what Ryan is going through now. It really depends on what the political climate is like in the area you are visiting, OR in any other area you are traveling through for your visit.

If your travels take you through the Chicago/Crook County area, or any county surrounding it, I would suggest leaving things at home. If you were coming into and visiting the state in my area, I would say you would have no problems.

All you need it one progressive LEO , Sheriff, or judge to ruin your trip. Regardless of how ‘in the right’ you are.

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Thanks, @Ray109. I recognize IL has no reciprocity. I mentioned the CCW from my home state because it would seem to demonstrate this requirement:

Non-residents are not required to have an Illinois FOID card but must be legally eligible to possess or acquire firearms and ammunition as determined by their home state.

Also, this is relevant to our home state CCW’s:

However, a resident from another state who has a valid concealed carry license from their home state may carry a concealed firearm within a vehicle while traveling through Illinois. If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, the firearm shall be stored within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle.

My family lives just within the IL border I am crossing from more freedom-loving lands. So my time on the road where I would be transporting would be minimal and rural. This would seem to reduce my risk.

Thanks for your help and input. I appreciate it!

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@Ryan231 welcome to the fold, sorry about what happened to you.

If you read Illinois rather tyranical laws concerning firearms, I would honestly say you caught a break. The only recognition of reciprocity Illinois has is for transport throughbthe state. So when you were in your accident and you had to put your firearm on your body. Let’s just say that officer, and almost every law enforcement/security guard both public and private in your incident gave you a break. But that’s just from my reading up on Illinois law.

One thing if you do wind up not getting your firearm back make sure you document it. For your own protection in case the PD lose it, ”accidentally” and someone else winds up with it.

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