The barrel was spotless, even used JB compound on a patch and no lead flaking , no leading on the forcing cone
the cylinder seem sloppy as far as indexing
the company thinks the cylinder is too short for the frame
personally I think the alloy frame stretched to the point that it quit shooting
all the rounds were target loads, lead swc, hbwc, full wad cutter
nothing was ever put threw the gun +p or hot loads.
Ive been reloading for 50+ years and never had this happen before
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That’s impressively bad, it sure sounds like you got a bad gun. I’ve had two guns that had to go back after manufacturing flaws were spotted during the initial pre-range cleaning, and that by quality makers. It’s disappointing but it definitely happens. A stretched frame is particularly worrying if that were to be what happened!
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well my wife got a new gun for Easter
A new S&W Shield EZ in 380 to replace the revolver
She has a LCP in 380 but that little snot rocket stings the hand
so we went with a better set up for her
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I bet that’s a very comfortable gun to shoot, I’d be interested to hear how you feel it works after experience with the .38 and the little Lcp,
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The best post! Thank you!!!
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I have a 380 EZ and its a wonderful shooting gun. Very accurate and smooth, easy to get back on target.
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Good choice, friend. I have everything from 44mag to .22 and carry a 38 snub daily.
However, on the amount of ammo. I have two reloads and pray that will be enough if ever needed.
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I can virtually guarantee that you will run out of time long before you run out of ammo if it requires reloading twice.
It’s really time, there.
(and part of why I like an 18 round capacity firearm, it’s like two built in reloads without taking the time)
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Thank you DS-1. I’ve heard and seen that cylinder build up. If I purchase a used .357, I’ll inspect with flashlight and soft stick: I’ll never use a .38 ammunition in it. Sincerely.
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I appreciate your informed choice of a 357 Magnum revolver as your everyday carry (EDC) weapon. It’s clear that you’ve considered its stopping power and versatility in ammunition selection and that it aligns with your lifestyle and requirements.
However, I would like to challenge a few assumptions you made in your post. First, while revolvers are known for their reliability, it’s important to remember that they are still mechanical devices and can malfunction. As someone who has carried handguns for over 50 years, I can attest that revolvers and semi-automatics are equally reliable when properly maintained and used correctly. Ya, I’m old …lol … Yes I still train with pistols and revolvers to ensure proficiency and familiarity.
Second, while statistically, the likelihood of needing to reload in a civilian personal defense scenario may be low, it’s important not to rely solely on statistics. Based on the pictures you submitted, it appears you are still carrying extra rounds for reloading; good for you! Being prepared for any situation includes considering worst-case scenarios and planning accordingly.
Third, as for stopping the power, I agree with you 100%. Ballistically one round of 357 has greater stopping power than one round of 9mm. Again, here you’re assuming that the 357 and the 9mm both had the exact defensively accurate hit. In your post, you’ve asserted that you use lighter, less powerful, and less expensive ammunition for practice when compared to your EDC ammunition. That would be a huge mistake. Over the years, I’ve seen many people practice with 38 semi-wad cutters, 38 specials, and lighter practice loads exclusively. Only to find that when they attempted to achieve the same defensive accuracy with heavy hitting 357 Magnum EDC loads, they couldn’t because of the substantially heavier recoil. Consequently, their accuracy and ability to achieve defensively accurate hits significantly diminished. The 9mm semi-automatic shooter uses FMJ ammunition for training and hollow points for EDC, which are ballistically very similar. Consequently, the shooter can maintain accuracy and efficiency with practice and EDC loads. I think you’d agree that one well-placed 9mm is better than one miss with the 357 Magnum.
You asked for opinions; it doesn’t make me right or you wrong; it’s just a different point of view.
Stay safe
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I carried a .357 on a SAR unit back in the day. The OP might want to consider that snub barrels can play havoc with performance when it comes to velocities. Back then it took at least 4" of barrel length to burn the powder efficiently in order to 'shroom our preferred 125gr SJHP loads. 6" was better.
Maybe that’s changed, but it’s worth considering anyway.
Even with my .38 snub, I 'll pass on the legendary 158 gr LSWC HP+P as I’ve yet to see them reliable 'shroom out of a 2" barrel, preferring less muzzle blast and faster follow ups with a 158gr SWC std velocity.
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I think 6 rounds is prudent enough if you’re well-practiced. Obviously it’s possible for a civilian to need more. It’s possible that you would need more than 30, and it’s possible that you would never survive long enough to shoot 6 regardless of what you were carrying. My philosophy is to plan for unlikely events of an ordinary variety rather than ones that are less likely than winning Powerball with one ticket. For ordinary threats, revolvers are a valid option. I don’t think too much in terms of stopping power, though. Expect your assailant to keep being a threat for 20 seconds or so after you make a well-placed shot, unless you’re lucky enough to find the off button with a CNS hit.
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She’s purdy.
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Very nice revolver!
I’ve been eyeing an additional S&W revolver for my collection and possibly for EDC. Although I currently carry a 9mm, I’ve thought about going back to 38/357 because I just shoot them better.
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MOST encounters will require less than 6 rounds. However, there’s much debate on those statistics because those numbers generally show shootings that include Law Enforcement. I remember an encounter in Santa Maria, CA where the multiple police fired until empty on a single perpetrator (Imagine 3 Glock 17s emptied on someone). I haven’t been able to find much on civilian ONLY encounters, since the press usually stays silent on that.
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Revolvers can and do fail! Sometimes, it something minor like a powder grain under the star extractor or a backed-out primer. I’ve had both happen. Most other failures will be catastrophic where you’ll need to get a gunsmith to fix it.
That being said, any mechanical device can fail, but which ones are you willing to bet your life on?
I like my 1911, S&W M&P Shield, S&W CSX, S&W 19-1, S&W 36-1, and Colt Night Cobra. Any and all or combination of them, I am willing to rely on a daily basis.
Certain issues can be mitigated with proper training and by not using reloads, but that’s for another discussion.
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Another I had regret selling. A Colt Night Cobra 38. For me, I liked the look from an artistic view, never had another ever fit so well in my hand. Jokingly, I uses to say, if “Batman” ever carried a revolver, that’d be it.
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5 days ago video on ASP.
His compilation ranges from 0 to 6 rounds
But the 6 round example, he used all 6 rounds in his revolver against 4 attackers, ran out of ammo, and seems to have suffered serious bodily harm because he only had 6 rounds.
Also, John says "whatever is in the gun, is how many you are going to have available to win the gunfight
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I would like to know 38 or 357 in those revlovers.
if threats are that close to me and I am EDC a 357 with 6 shots i am pretty sure i will not miss.
Plus, I am only guessing none had traing.
He made some good points-
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One thing John’s channel has taught me…MANY people miss, and miss close. A lot.
How much experience do you have shooting at a moving target, while moving, under imminent deadly threat stress? Remove the stress part, just make it you moving and shooting a moving target.
Also, even if you don’t miss, 6 shots is probably not enough to physiologically incapacity 4 attackers. Remember, even in .357 mag, these aren’t magic bullets, there is no guarantee that even a good hit will stop an attacker immediately (or at all). People who are determined often take multiple fatal rounds from handguns and continue to fight.
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I suspect, if I get 3-4 shots off at 2-3 attackers, at least one of them will loose interest and at least one of them will be injured. I think the idea that attackers will run through a hail of bullets just because they are attackers seems to fail when the first loud bang is encountered.
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Did you watch the video? Because that’s kind of what they did, the ones who weren’t stopped kept coming
Sure, often times you get psychological stops. They don’t want to get shot, or get shot again, so they choose to stop. As discussed in the video, 0-3 rounds is enough for a lot of those. Often 0.
But if you actually need to stop them, based on 20% average accuracy rates, and based on multiple fatal shots possibly not stopping an attacker…and based on how often there are multiple attackers…6 starts to seem awfully small.
I also think John is right, what you have in the gun is what you are going to have available to get out of the situation. Time and opportunity for a reload just isn’t something you see in private citizen situations. It’s probably happened to someone sometime, and will probably happen again to someone sometime, but, very unlikely, and probably not what decisions should be based on.
While we are talking about things people do or don’t do based on whatever…
…why does nobody wear body armor?
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