This is a very interesting thread. I have not been asked by any medical professional or healthcare organization to document ownership or use of firearms, but I can see its purpose for valid medical reasons like risk for hearing loss or lead exposure. The most straightforward response before answering would be some questions of my own: Is my answer mandatory? How will my information be used? Who has access? Is it covered by HIPPA privacy? Can I have that information in writing? We can continue from there.
Exactly this. Doc asks after figuring out that I might a danger to myself or others? Not a problem. Doc asks on initial intake? We’re going to have a talk.
Trusts are very useful, (and my family has one for silencers), but if not mistaken, since all the people on the Trust need to be approved, ATF has all the group’s info. If firearms are added, then all the guns are also “sort of” registered.
It makes transfers easy, but I have some concerns about the long term effects of the government having all the owner information.
You are partly correct. Only the “Responsible Parties” must give their personal information to the ATF during the application process to by a silencer or class 3 device. In my case, that would mean my wife and I would have to provide that information during the application process. However, the device purchased is then owned by the trust. Ownership can then be shared by later additions to the trustee body of the trust or by the trust beneficiaries after the orginal settlors of the trust have deceased. For a thorough and detailed desription of the process, see my attorney’s FAQ on the subject. Meanwhile, you should know that not all NFA trusts are created equal. Make sure you get a competent attorney who knows how to best protect your rights. (By the way, the FAQ gives an interesting scenario of what could happen if a silencer is registed in the husband’s name and he leaves it at home where his wife has access to it. That immediately puts her in danger of a felony. So you shouldread the article to make sure your family is properly protected. And by the way, the registration of silencers is just stupid in my opinion. It should just be looked at as hearing protection.
personally i always refuse to answer the gun ownership question… my cardiologists and i somehow got on the subject of guns and he actually competes in IDPA… he and I talk more about guns than we do my heart issues
My cardiologist knowing my background, told me he had been a paramedic for the L.A. Fire Dept and had worked rough areas and had a good relationship with LAPD. He wanted to know how to get a Concealed Weapons Permit. Unfortunately for him he lives in Los Angeles City where it’s just about impossible.
Those are my objections. Not only do they have the info on everyone who is covered under the trust they have a complete list of every firearm owned by said trust.
I had a follow-up appointment yesterday following the placement of a port in my shoulder area. I asked the attending PA if I could shoot a rifle or would I cause damage to the port. She said I could if I was careful and avoided the port completely. However she recommended that instead I do most of my shooting with a pistol which would not cause any damage at all. At this point she extended her arms in a pretty nice 2 handed grip position.
They ask my children these questions too. They have also been instructed “that’s not your business”. I find it mildly offensive that they ask. Mostly it’s just intrusive in a way my Dr. has no business with and certainly not whoever the information is being shared with. My insurance company I imagine.
Normally, a properly constructed NFA trust is a private document and is not filed with any government authority. The administrators (or settlors" of the trust do have to be listed on ATF application. But other benefactors of the trust are not required (or you can add them later). But the real problem is that silencers should not require ATF tax stamp because they’re just good hearing protection.
I have never been asked this, though I have heard that doctors have started asking. I suspect half the doctors in my area have guns. I know for a fact at least one of the dentists in our complex does.
And strange thing, we never had a single shooting threat until they put “no weapons allowed” signs on all of our doors, then within a year, we had a bomb threat and an active shooter lockdown.
Interesting development in my Dr office issue. My PCP called me from her cell after she got out of work today so she could chew me out about my forgetfulness. We had a little chat about why I haven’t returned. She promised to remove the gun owner part from my records and send me proof she did. Turns out most of the physicians at that clinic had themselves a verbal brawl several months ago with the administration about this very topic and won. She was extremely angry that such an asinine policy would be put in place and that it was chasing her patients away. She didn’t put 2 and 2 together until our chat, now she’s planning more calls to find out if that’s why.
As a hearing loss treatment specialist, I always ask about history of firearm usage, but my question is not phrased to assess ownership of those arms. I’m only looking for factors to explain the loss. Doctors do not need to know about ownership unless mental health is an acute issue.
@Zee@LordDeinonychus I was at one of the local hospitals a few years ago picking up a body from their morgue, well the hospital went on lockdown because some inconsiderate person brought their gun into the hospital. Swat was called in, I had a long break while the perpetrator was located, after he was arrested I was on my way back to the funeral home. (Yes people I was someone who couldn’t take their work home, nor would want to). This was before I retired so it happened about Four years ago.
I don’t know how many of you heard or otherwise were aware that a year ago this month a lone person who went into a Chicago Hospital right at Thanksgiving time (with his firearm, was fired from the Chicago Fire Academy for bullying and sexual harassment) he fired on and killed a Doctor and a hospital employee and several patients.
@ES16 It’s likely you did, but there was a guy about a year ago today who shot a doctor, a pharmacist, and a few patients of that doctor. You never know there’s always another freak out there somewhere who’s mad or has an axe to grind with someone or something. I also understand now just minutes ago Attorney General Barr has been blanketing Capital Hill with false claims that Pres. Trump has approved a new NICS form, and he has not; Trump says he has not approved the form, Barr says he has, so that’s what I know. If you interested in a little more detail than what I just said about Trump and Barr it’s on Guns and Gadgets (Jared) Title: White House Gun Control Leaks, today’s date 11/7
