I’m with you on that. Economics needs to be part of the holistic view. It’s all interrelated, IMO. Economic opportunity directly affects poverty rate, which has a direct correlation to crime; but crime also directly affects economics opportunity. Police policies are in response to crime patterns, and can have an effect on crime rates, which affects economics; but economics also determines available city budget and budget priorities, which affects the police budget (personnel and equipment), so economics affects policing. And the police are enforcing federal, state, and local laws, as well as the orders of their city officials. Those officials are either elected or appointed by elected officials, so the decisions made by the electorate once or twice each year are a result of their economic situation but also determine their economic future.
This web is getting complicated. I’m starting to think we just need every citizen to open carry, making people more polite, reducing minor crimes.
So like many have pointed out you also understand that the police isn’t the only resource is making a place better. Thank you so very much for proving my point.
We’ve been saying that we hope it never comes to this, but I’m afraid we aren’t too far off. Police, at least in the big cities, are going to leave or quit. It simply isn’t worth it. They have to look after their families, the same as the rest of us.
One thing we’ve seen over and over again in 2020, we are each responsible for our own self-defense. The old saying goes “when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.” But what if the police aren’t coming?
I’m old, I used to walk to school uphill in the snow both ways . I remember “beat” cops. I completely support community based policing.
I’ve always thought we expect to much from law enforcement.
I happen to agree mental health calls/domestic violence calls should be handled by trained councillors with officers there to make sure everyone is safe and to arrest the ones doing violence. Any police officer will tell you these are the calls that are the most dangerous.
I think alot of drugs should be decriminalized and taxed just like alcohol and cigarettes. We will never win a “War on Drugs”.
I agree the majority of traffic stops are Mickey Mouse BS that help a city to raise revenue.
I think parents should be freaking parents and teach their children respect for their elders and the law.
I believe the police can not be all things for every situation.
Before real change will happen I think responsibility has to be taken on the Micro level before change can be affected on the Macro level.
After the current crop of “events” I feel a bit old, likewise. Good observations. I’m not real excited to see decriminalization of drugs happening. The key point I walk away with is society needing to step-up. COVID-19 health enforcement pushed onto police? Wow! Just WOW!!!
Specifically, on 3, would you allow opium houses, like those that existed in China in 17-18th century? Would you allow a place of nuisance like that in the city?
As far as 5, you know that some parents teach their kids to predate on others and reward and approve successful bullying and criminal acts? How do you deal with this situation in modern civilized society?
Police may have a little responsibilities around the edges that could or should be trimmed but not much. Councillor arriving at domestic dispute, and finding the people are beating the heck of each other -I don’t see how it is productive. Psychiatric unit evaluating situation before cops act changes response times into the danger zone. Training cops as psychiatrists is fine, just make their salaries $200/hour.
This is a hard problem, and we cannot work on it, while violent children are stomping their feet and setting things on fire. It will take a lot of time, and in meanwhile, I’d like police doing their jobs, drug dealers hiding in the shadows, and cities not defaced with graffiti.
Maybe it’s me, but I just realized that if you don’t commit an offense you will never have contact with law enforcement.
Am I wrong? I know that if I’m speeding I am more likely to encounter law enforcement than if I was sitting at home watching TV. I’m more likely to have contact w/ law enforcement if I choose to be a drug dealer.
Agreed the more I have contact with law enforcement the more likely things are going to go wrong. In addition, I’m more likely to get into physical altercation if I decide to challenge an officer or attempt to grab his weapons or run.
After my life altering scare with law enforcement in VA beach. A mistaken identity of vehicle. I was swarmed by more than 20 officers guns drawn and ripped from my car, slammed to the deck spread eagle on the asphalt, knee in back gun to head, (I didn’t pee my pants), I remained extremely calm, kept my mouth shut, was patient, I knew I did nothing wrong, (they don’t throw you to the ground for a broken tail light) it was a felony stop on a vehicle described in a robbery/shooting.
My vehicle matched at 2:00 in the morning. After those five very long minutes I learned a lot from that encounter, law enforcement is in charge at the moment you’re stopped. Furthermore, RESPECT, yes sir no sir, go a long way. Smiles and no furtive movements. I’ve had my share of speeding tickets, also had my share of warnings, but no more guns in my face. Just comply. What is so hard about saying yes sir, no sir and accepting that you screwed up and not run or grab officers weapons?
But all these things we’re seeing are encounters that required law enforcement involvement. IMHO, if George Floyd did not try to pass a counterfeit bill while high as a kite, he would be alive today.
I also don’t believe an officer knows the color of your skin at 2: o’clock in the morning coming up behind a blacked out Mercedes Benz, until he gets to the window. They don’t have X-ray vision. They only observe something wrong. For a long time I thought that if I dressed in a suit and tie, drove the speed limit during regular 9-5 hours I could be a rich drug dealer. Why would law enforcement ever stop a good looking guy like me if I’m doing “everything” right, except, oh sh#! My tail light was out, and now the flashing light in my rear view mirror made my heart pump right out of my chest and I’m sweating in 32 degree weather, because ( as an example, the six kilos in the trunk I was supposed to deliver) may be found…
My ex son-in-law is a law enforcement officer and told me that an officer on the road may, can and will stop you for anything, anything. They are in control of the public when contact is made, to this day I do not feel like I need to go against an officer because of my altercation. If I’m stopped obviously something is wrong, waiting for the facts is better than getting dead. That officer we saw obviously had no regard for life. There was animosity in his actions. He’s a stain upon the earth.
Totally unsatisfactory. I’m on the side of our free nation. Again, like I’ve taught my kids and grandkids, respect, even if they felt they made that full stop at the stop sign. Yes sir, no sir, keep your hands on the wheel.
Have a better day.
Well, Breanna Taylor didn’t do anything wrong. There is a conversation here, but it’s been highjacked by the vicious forces of our society, driving useful idiots.
No, I wouldn’t. There would be the same criminal penalties that exist now, you know like drug houses now. Just make it where the underworld/gangs/cartels/whatever term you choose to use doesn’t profit from it. Establish a system of regulated farms that are overseen and taxes are collected on. That would fund other initiatives.
If you abuse alcohol and commit offense you still go to jail if you are over the limit. Even though Alcohol is legal.
Yes I know 5 happens. That’s a “I’m a victim and deserve to be a special snowflake” problem. One of those micro problems that has to be fixed at the micro level before Macro level changes can be made.
I specifically said police should arrive first and then councillors come in once it’s safe. They do the same thing for fire and EMS as is. Police are not councillors let professionals handle it. Remove the stigma from mental health.
See I want drug dealers gone. Legalize, tax, prosecute if abused. That’s all that keeps drug dealers going is the illegal part of getting it. Drugs have been around for 1,000’s of years.
I thought this was a really good clip. I’m not a huge Joe Rogan fan. He seems wishy -washy, but, I actually think that makes him a good interviewer. I am a Jocko fan. If you don’t know Jocko, he’s an ex-Seal who now primarily teaches, speaks, and write books about leadership.
I’ll paste the clip. If you don’t watch the clip, this is basically what he says:
Don’t get rid of choke holds. It’s an essential tool in getting control of a violent person with minimal damage.
Everyone is against what happened to Floyd. So sides are confusing.
Put more funding into the police, and make 1/5th of their job training and running through scenarios.
Policing is the hardest job. You’re over worked, everyone has family things going on, you don’t get continuous great training (he said they get about 2-4 hours a year on combat like scenarios. They need more), and people treat you with disrespect.
There are forces at play that do not allow healthy good discussions on the issue.
This will have the opposite effect. No one will want to be police officer anymore. You will not get quality new hires.
These are the biggest players since May 25, 2020.
Usually I don’t involve myself in such discussions, I’m to small element to be even heard… but I’ve read few European articles about the mess we are experiencing these days (I love European point of view, they are in 75% independent from US media) and there is one thing that has been pointed → nice and equal society cannot be controlled. People need to be conflicted all the time. If we can feel race difference, strongly different opinions, disagreement with everything - we can be so easily controlled.
The worst part of it - nobody has any idea how does it end…
This is so not remotely a joke. Let’s just return to law of the 8th century or so.
This is one of those things that I would hope and pray triggered both serving and ex military members to remember their oath to " Defend the Constitution, against all enemies, both foreign and domestic".
. I remember “beat” cops. I completely support community based policing.
