Dateline Hartford Michigan: Armed Robbery, shot fired ..... 12 year old perp

12 year old Michigan Boy robs gas station, fires round

View and discuss. Put yourself and the scene, as a concealed carrier of a firearm, what would you do and why?

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I would hope there would be a chance for disarming a 12 year old.

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Gun jamming and his lack of size and skills has me thinking, too much time clearing that gun to ignore my adrenaline dump. Probably not allowed to carry as an employee there, but dang he let a lot of “stupid time” go by during his clearing/reload…8-9 seconds from shot to maybe being reloaded. Pretty sure I would have knocked him out…hyperactive adrenal gland.

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He would probably shoot your quicker than someone much older, as he his brain is still underdeveloped and he has little in the way of the understanding of consequences or empathy. He showed a lot of poor judgement here.

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Think about how bad things are when what all the everyday buzz is about ; we should be buzzing about so many other things in our lives. I guess aslong as our civilization keeps heading to total destruction there will always be some kind of a need for a USCCA ; too bad we can’t say don’t let the door hit you in the Ass USCCA.
I hope that day comes but I’m pretty sure I won’t see it in my life time.
Truly
Bky.

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Compliance was a good tactic. You don’t draw on pointed firearm.
Jammed handgun was a great opportunity to keep him gun pointed with verbal commands.
What happens next depends on his actions.
it didn’t seem he was ready to die.

EDIT.
After several rewinds I’m not sure if the handgun jammed. Did he try to do press check? He just ejected next round… I’m guessing that was his first time “real action” with handgun.

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Did you see the customer behind the shooter? Nothing big going on, no reason to scoot.

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But was he ready to kill?
Also, may not have been alone. My 1st act –look around for his guide(s), so to speak.

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Agree with you on his “first time action”. He seemed confused after the shot,and wasn’t paying much attention to anything else…It did look like more than a case getting ejected manually :roll_eyes:, and then he was just focused on his “problem solva’.”…pushing the slide back into battery as well, though don’t think he had an issue there to begin with…
…kind of reminded me of me, breaking in a new build…minus the “money in the bag” thing :sweat_smile:
Kid keeps that up, he won’t see 13.

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All i can say is that you really don’t know and do not know what you will do or react to the situation,but as i have had a confrontation,my motor memory would hope fully take over as it did with the confrontation,and I would imagine that the same training would still be on automatic and I just might go for a head shot,as that is what and how I train,but again no one can actually know what your action will b,as in the confrontation,I didn’t even remember drawing till it was over,fortunately he turned and walked away,glad I was covered by USCCA

The shot would probably decide the action

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This person in blue dress… whatever it was… has nothing to do with the whole situation. The firearm was pulled out from behind the backpack once he had gone.
Nobody, even we, was able to see that firearm earlier.

As a gas station clerk. Somebody says give me the money. GUN OR NO GUN, YOU GIVE THEM THE MONEY!! Unless they’re asking for the impossible. Always De-escalate if you can, if you can’t or De-escalating may put you in greater danger, then use of force must apply.

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Great post. First I heard of it. Lots of various subtopics. So much can be gleaned. I stumbled across a slightly different version of the vid, with more background and outcomes. I turned on my closed captions to catch every word.

Then critique here, a hero. Appreciated. But also, look at it from a a legal view, what was said, done. Would you know how to clear and empty that weapon? Would you? How might you have responded or handled the situation? Circa, bout 3 years ago, btw:

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I don’t believe their was a jam, the slide appeared to be in battery when he racked it. He likely just did not know that it did not need to be racked, as he ejected an unfired cartridge. He clearly lacked skills and awareness of anyone around him. He then just walked off.

His age does not matter, a firearm is deadly no matter who is holding it. What I would do? That would depend on where I was, if I was alone, and my position in relation to anyone else in the store.

Of course. Would I get back on the train and confront him? No. I am not one to get into violent confrontations, I avoid that. Definitely find an officer, as subways usually have them around, or just call 911.

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Snowflakes and drugstore cowboys are on patrol.

Pried open the gun cabinet of his guardian.

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I don’t know how many followed this incident, but this is what I found today:

  • What we haven’t seen on the video is that the boy initially came into the store and looked at the clerk. When she asked the boy if he wanted anything, the boy said no before walking away and standing at another spot in the store (that is what the clerk woman told the dispatcher).

  • from Police report:
    “I interviewed the juvenile for about an hour, and I found it odd/interesting, that he was willing to give me all the details, from start to finish, but would not tell me as why he did what he did,”

  • Local outlets report the boy was taken to the juvenile detention center in Allegan County. The money and gun were also recovered.

  • He has been charged with armed robbery, discharge of a firearm in a building, and three counts of assault with a deadly weapon.

Combining all pieces together it’s hard to say what were the intentions and why he did it. But it doesn’t seem he is a good material for a criminal.

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A 12 y.o vocabulary is not well developed, and he may not be able to verbalize his feelings. Of course there is a reason he did it, likely, he was bored, needed a thrill, needed a feeling of status.
Is he a criminal material? Unfortunately, once he committed his 1st crime, 2nd one comes easier… Too bad he still has 6 years to go before the Army, Navy or Marines would take him.

I think he should be flogged in the public square.