If this were allowed, the fentanyl market would quickly dissolve itself. That would not necessarily be a bad thing IMHO…
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Well, if you agree that life is suffering, then there will always be a market. There will always be people who look for the quick path to quell their suffering. And when they’re gone, there are plenty more behind them to take their place.
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From my first post, I have stated my regards to everyone in this Community. I respect each and every one of you. As I believe you each have something to add to the conversations or discussions being fielded or held on this board. I do this for several reasons: 1) You are a member of the human academy, 2) It’s the right thing to do, 3) It helps me to think more objectively, 4) What you bring may assist me with what I may not understand or may aid me with problem-solving, 5) I really don’t know who you are! I don’t know what you really do! I don’t know if you are just an internet Rambo or an alphabet sleuth trolling chatrooms to find where the MVEs (Militant Violent Extremists) are! and 6) Furthermore, I can afford to be nice, because I’m not threatened by anyone, or anything. But that’s me. And I have been consistent in this regard. I don’t vacillate, neither am I “a Turncoat,” or indecisive. I am a responsibly armed American citizen and is what I regard each of you as being. Now having said that…
If the substance is unregulated, unlicensed, unprescribed, unmeasured for medicinal use as determined by whomever the (legal) powers are and further prescribed by a trained, authorized, licensed and insured medical practitioner, to a trained, licensed and insured Pharmacologist, to dispense said pharmaceutical to the individual for whom it is prescribed, and for the purposes established in the prescription, it is therefore, illegally obtained, and poses an extreme threat to health and risks danger of death. I’m not an attorney nor a medical practitioner, so this is neither a legal or medical definition or advise. Just my own opinion derived from my own thoughts on the subject matter presented. I just want to be clear, here…because:
You said: “I know” (indicating a knowledge of something) “that it’s a messy thing to discuss” (indicating the forgoing topic may not be favorable, palatable, agreeable, or tasteful) “when it’s a lethal substance” (so now the thing that you “know” is in plain view “the lethal substance”), “but if” (now you set the stage to posit (or put forth as a basis for argument), (your hypothetical)), “the dealer” (in context, the untrained, unlicensed, uninsured, illegal pharmaceutical sales Rep.) “is honest” (free of deceit and untruthfulness, upright, ethical, fair, etc.) “accurate” (correct in all detail, exact) …" REALLY!!! How? They are untrained! unlicensed! uninsured! uninformed as to the medical condition of their client/customer’s need! an illegal dispensary! (Unregulated, etc.) And then you prefaced it by nailing yourself to this and aligned yourself with the thought by implicating yourself as “a counter position…” So, the second part of the second sentence defeated your whole syllogism. And is inconsistent with your previous presentation of the law in the other thread, in an effort to point out that person’s illegality. In which you indicted him, in that you specifically stated, “Locking your pistol in your car at the post office is a federal crime.” And you wrote commentary to bolster and support your argument.
My point is this, sometimes people actually muse, ponder, or give serious thought and consideration to what you have to say. Do with that what you will… No disrespect intended, implied, or shade thrown, only an observation of the printed text.
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Yep I get they are offering and the reasons. But dang how did the country and even more than that the world get to this place. I guess the breakdown of the family unit with a sprinkle of evil. And there we have it. I was talking to my grandad years ago all
and was listening in on a conversation of grown folks at time. They were saying folks are no meaner we just are hearing about it real time. Prayers up for all of us
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No man, we need limited capacity baggies that will only hold half a pill. Don’t forget the micro-stamping!
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My context was misunderstood. Apologies. When I speak of the government not having business telling adults what they can choose to put into their body I am not referring to an illegal unlicensed pharmacist braking the law. I am referring to the government not having business telling adults what they can choose to put into their body, which includes not requiring a government license and record keeping and permission slips. So, the dealer would in this case not be doing anything illegal.
I see this as very similar to the whole “gun registration is gun control” thing.
I’m just saying, if one were to take the “government has no business telling us what we can put into our bodies angle of full on Rights and Liberties, we wouldn’t be talking about the death penalty for people who sell a drug to a consenting adult
I only threw in the honest part to make it clear I wasn’t referring to someone selling a drug without disclosing WHAT it was they were selling.
I am not in any way staying or implying that this is how it is, just taking a mental exercise in the -what if- of individual Rights and Liberties RE: death penalty for dealers. As in, should dealing drugs to a consenting adult be a death sentence or should it not even be illegal? Just food for thought
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As for the parking lot post…I believe people should know what the law is.
I don’t want people here to think it’s legal to have a gun somewhere that is actually illegal.
This is not at odds with the above thoughts
It is in fact illegal to sell someone recreational fentanyl. I am aware of this, as I think we all are, so I did not feel a need to post information to the contrary…because nobody posted that they were dealing or using fentaly recreationally while implying they understood it to be legal
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In principle I would agree with you. In practical application I disagree. Kids are buying meth unknowingly it also has fentanyl laced in it. That’s a very deadly combination. Fentanyl is killing 300 a day far outstripping any gun violence.
Would you condemn a murderer whom uses a gun? For me at least, there is no difference selling fentanyl to minors or adults knowing it has a good chance of killing that person. The drug dealer is a mass murderer doing far more harm to our country than any gunman who shoots up a school. Both deserve the death penalty.
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Is it murder to sell somebody A when they want to buy A, and they use it to kill themselves? Does your answer change if A is fentanyl as opposed to A being a handgun?
I would posit that, in the hypothetical world where the government doesn’t choose for us what we can and cannot put into our body, and things are legal, buying from shady illegal black market whatever where your A is laced with B wouldn’t be a problem, kind of like unknowingly buying ibuprofen laced with fentanyl isn’t really a problem
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Using our tax money to try to take guns while funding the drug problem. You couldn’t make this up…Bidens rock.
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I think you are leaving out an important aspect in your thinking. Some ppl don’t give a sh1t about other ppl. Those ppl think it’s funny that They took your $$ and now you’ll be dead by morning or when you take it. Those ppl are the lowest denominator of civilized countries. With the size and wealth these cartels have it takes a government sized organization to take them on. Some countries won’t even try to take on the cartels sadly.
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If you, as a consenting adult, chose to buy something knowing it might kill you, is that not your own personal responsibility/fault?
Is people not caring about others why we need to have laws dictating what an adult is and is not allowed to put into their body?
Is it a dealer’s fault when a buyer commits homicide with the firearm? Is it a bartender’s fault when a person drives away from the bar and kills themselves or another via DUI? Is it the liquor store’s fault when the buyer dies of alcohol OD?
If the answers to the above are no, what makes other substances so different that the seller morally deserves a death penalty?
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If I go buy a bag of weed and the slimeball has laced it with fentanyl: am I knowingly buying something that I know might kill me? Or is this murder?
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You’re changing the hypotheticals. Everything you listed has a governing body of some kind to ensure product control and end item quality. Name for me the governing body that monitors the purity of a street drug making sure the dealer hasn’t played with it some how. Yes, there are laws today that limit the amount of booze a bartender can sell when a person is obviously too drunk.
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That’s why I put this qualifier into my post two days ago:
Because I am not referring to a seller lying and providing A laced with B while claiming it is A.
Are the comments about killing the dealers referring to dealers selling A claiming it’s A, or only about dealers selling A but lacing it with B, unbeknownst to the buyer? These are different scenarios
You’re right, there is no governing body for street drugs, making it illegal exactly causes this problem. So maybe the government really doesn’t have business telling adults what they can put into their body? Maybe these laws are actually making it more dangerous?
Yes there are laws for bartenders, but that doesn’t stop drunk driving, the laws don’t prohibit serving somebody to past the legal limit for operating a vehicle on public roads (and my death by OD example was for a store not a server).
Just having a conversation on, is it really the seller’s fault when a buyer buys what they want and then uses it fatally? What happened to individual Liberties and Rights and personal responsibility and accountability?
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No insult intended; I find it funny that you believe a street dealer is an honest upstanding citizen of the community. That he isn’t using ppl to to enrich himself off of other peoples misery.
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No worries, no insult taken. Just having a conversation, is it really the seller’s fault when the buyer buys what they want and then uses it fatally?
It’s a semi rhetorical I suppose. Or just a…food for thought. We (any we) aren’t likely to come up with an neat answer/solution
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" There is some indication that Sayre may have believed that a dealer had recently given him a Percocet pill, disguised as a Tylenol, which Sayre then passed along to Victoria. Percocet is a highly potent opioid often prescribed as a painkiller.
[M]y daughter was dead because of what he gave her. Ecstasy laced with a deadly amount of Fentanyl was what he gave her."
Yeah that’s not good. Percocet disguised as Tylenol that was actually ecstacy laced with Fentanyl? This is all over the map.
Just sayin’, for purposes of discussion, if these things weren’t illegal because the government tells people what they can and cannot put into their bodies, probably people would be able to get what they want without also getting it laced with other stuff.
And of course, giving any of this to a minor is a big no-no even if it were something illegal otherwise, even “just” alcohol…that guy goofed, hard.
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Haven’t you been watching any news source? As I said before; kids are buying meth, granted not the wisest thing, and the dealer has laced it with fentanyl.
Are you just playing devils advocate or what? Do you really believe dealers are so upstanding?
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