Conceal carry this particular SAO with safety disengaged?

Is there something besides “light trigger” that makes SAOs unsafe to carry with the safety disengaged?.
I just picked up a single action only hammer fired FK Brno PSD-C I’d like to conceal carry. I also carry a striker fired SIG P365.
Both the P365 and the SAO have about a 5# trigger pull.
Conventonal wisdom seems to be that it would be foolish to carry the P365 for self-defense without a round in the chamber - so, it will fire as soon as I draw and pull the 5# trigger.
Convention wisdom seems to be that it would be foolish to carry the SAO for self-defense cocked and loaded but without the external safety engaged - so, it will fire as soon as I draw, manipulate the safety, and pull the 5# trigger.
5# doesn’t seem especially light. I’d like to not have the SAO’s “manipulate the safety” step in the midst of a crisis, and if “light trigger” is the only reason for it, then can I skip it?

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Yes, In this handgun thumb safety is your only mechanical safety mechanism preventing from negligent discharge.
You can carry it the way you want… but if you are not ready to manipulate thumb safety during shooting process my recommendation would be to put this firearm (empty) in the safe and never use it.
:wink:

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It is personal preference.

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Is a SAO with no manual safety set drop-safe?

Although I shoot a 1911 and a Hi-Power clone regularly, I am not familiar in detail with that aspect of SAOs.

If the answer is NO, then that is the reason it is unwise to carry an SAO with safety off.

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I just read up on your new pistol. Quite an interesting firearm.

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The PSD-C has a seperate internal firing pin safety, so it’s considered to be drop safe.

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What 911 is your favorite?

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I will go with Col. Cooper for a save. Cocked and Locked is the only way to carry a single action. Even cocked and locked you have to be careful not to “thumb” the hammer when holstering. You also need to practice the draw, release safety, aim and fire sequence until it is firmly engraved on your brain housing unit. All in all is it drop safe? Better to never find out.

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The Siri one? Ha

But why is one gun with a 5# trigger pull considered safe to carry without an external safety while another gun with a 5# trigger pull is not?

Everywhere I look, I see “light trigger” given as the reason single actions are unsafe without the safety.

This particular single action doesn’t have a light trigger pull and is drop safe even when cocked.

Are there other reasons why a hammer fired gun is more dangerous to carry without the safety than a striker fired gun with the same trigger pull?

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Not if we talk about safety. Thumb safety in SAO handgun is a must, not a preference.

How would you feel if we start driving sport cars without brakes? Would it be considered as “personal preference”?

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Even 10 lb trigger in SAO pistol requires thumb safety.
It’s still “light trigger”. Perhaps not a “hair trigger”, but still easy to be pressed to release the hammer.

People make mistakes and using SAO handgun without mechanical external safety mechanism is nothing else than asking for mistake.

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But then why is a 5# trigger on a P365 without a safety considered safe to carry?
It’s the inconsistency that leads me to ask.

My P365 also has no mechanical safety to prevent negligent discharge.
But it’s considered safe to carry.
Both the P365 and the SAO have the same trigger pull, both are drop safe…so is there something other than “lighter trigger” that might make the SAO more dangerous?

Your P365 also has another internal safety on the striker that prevents it from firing unless the trigger is pulled. I don’t know if your FK has a hammer safety other than the thumb safety.

It sounds like you may have already made up your mind regarding carrying the FK without the thumb safety engaged. The next question is how do you intend to carry the hammer, cocked or down? Cocked has the disadvantage of counting solely on the firing pin block. Down has the disadvantages of accidental discharge lowering it onto the firing pin (with the trigger pulled) or slipping when pulling the hammer back to fire.

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Guns don’t have breakers. If one is careful one doesn’t have to use the safety. It is called condition zero. What if one forgets to put the safety on. Then is every gun with a safety dangerous?

Striker fired pistols (SIG P365 as well) are not SAO. It’s hard to compare to hammer fired pistols, but it’s closer to DAO than SAO.
Additionally most striker fired pistols have trigger safety mechanism (usually trigger blade).
I know P365 doesn’t have trigger blade, but it has definitely longer trigger slack / pre-travel… which somehow acts as DAO (if we would like to compare it to hammer fired pistol)

I can agree that thumb safety on striker fired pistols can be personal preference (I’m the one who uses it). What does it do? Prevent striker to be released and hit the primer if trigger has been pressed unintentionally.
With thumb safety ON, your P365 won’t fire even you press the trigger completely. Without thumb safety - P365 won’t fire if the trigger is pressed within its pre-travel… but will fire if the trigger is pressed more.

Hammer fired SAO pistol have non existing or minimal trigger pre-travel, even light press can release the hammer.

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It’s hard to explain… but once you have both firearms available, go to the range and test triggers side-by-side by yourself.

Striker fired trigger is heaver that hammer fired SAO trigger.
As I mentioned in previous post - if you want to compare P365 to hammer fired pistol, I would call it DAO, meaning, your finger has to travel longer distance in order to break the shot (release the striker)

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I assume 5# is 5 lbs. Besides your finger can be the safety. If it is in your holster I can’t see a problem. I don’t think he means carry in any other way.

Yeah.. “Condition 0” is known term.. but would you really recommend to responsibly armed person carrying this way?
:grimacing:

Thumb safety or grip safety is a must for SAO pistols and option for all other actions.
So if it’s an option then firearm is just as dangerous with or without it.

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The pull strength of the trigger has nothing to do with whether you need a manual safety. The need for a manual safety is based on whether there are internal safety mechanisms in the pistol design and the preference of the shooter.

Some striker pistols, including the SIg P365 and the S&W M&P 2.0, are sold in versions with and without manual safeties. The trigger safety and the internal safety are sufficiently safe for carry (to include drop-safe) without a manual safety. Those companies sell versions with a manual safety because some buyers want the added psychological security of having that manual safety, AND some figure if the gun gets taken from them, there is a reasonable chance the miscreant now holding it will not know how to release the safety.

A 1911 or a Hi-Power MUST have a manual safety without regard to a 10# New York trigger, a 5# standard trigger, or a 2# competition trigger.

(p.s. Yes the symbol # has meant pound (weight, not money) for decades and decades, long before the new internet hashtag usage. Now that you know that tidbit, read outloud
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using the earlier translation for #.

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