Does this guy deserve to be there?
How about this guy?
I donât give a DUCK. There are ALWAYS that ONE person liberals go bleeding heart sappy over. The system isnât perfect but itâs the best one in the whole world. Life sucks sometimes and if you are a Christian like me; you might start to think why did god allow this? He allowed it so YOU can reach ppl and save them from hell. When youâve met your purpose there, god will get you out. But you donât believe in god. Enjoy your stay in prison.
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Go look up David Wood on YT and how he was sent to prison and why he became a Christian.
Edit: by the way Mr Wood has a PhD in philosophy now.
Iâm sure the majority of people in prison deserve to be there. But there are a lot more than ONE person who doesnât. @Nathan57 has given a few examples of people the bleeding heart conservatives should be sappy over. Iâm sure with just a few minutes of searching I could come up with dozens more.
You may not give a duck because you donât know those people but I suspect you might start caring if yourself, family or friends ended up there through no fault of their own?
It bothers me greatly when I hear of innocent people winding up in prison. That seems like one of the cruelest things someone could do to another person. Iâd rather live with the time and expense of trying to make sure innocent people donât wind up in jail than living with large numbers of innocent people going to jail just to make sure I am punishing every single bad person. I can move to North Korea or China if I wanted that kind of justice.
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To get back to the original question. I think that most people in the US are reasonably civil. At least when they arenât posting things on the internet;) or allowing themselves to succumb to mob mentality when gathered in large groups.
We do seem to be in a period of increasing corruption and economic instability which usually lead to significant upticks in incivility. So Iâm not sure where things will go from here. But when I walk into the grocery store I donât expect to berated, mugged, detained or beat up. Iâm prepared for those possibilities but would bet good money none of those things will happen on my next visit. 
There are certainly many places in the past and present where people could only dream of the level of civility the vast majority of Americans experience on a daily basis.
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There are literally millions of people out there right now that are federal felons because
*They bought a braced pistol at a gun store and it is now an unregistered SBR per the new rule
*They gifted a firearm to their daughter who lives out of state but did not go through an FFL to do so
*They brought home their dadâs old double barrel shotgun, but their dad lives in another state and they didnât go through an FFL
*They put a stock on an AR that has a 14.5" barrel that is not pinned and welded.
And on and on.
Federal felons. Most havenât been arrested and charged. Yet.
Some of them have even gone to jail or prison over it.
Then there are the state felons because they drove through the state of NY with a handgun unloaded and locked in a case in the back of the car.
Did this guy belong in jail while he was there?
Chicago police arrested Artis almost immediately. He spent the next year in Cook County jail, held without bail as seven felony charges, including five counts of attempted murder, hung over his head.
Last month, four days before Christmas, Cook County prosecutors dropped all felony charges against Artis, 24, and he pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor gun violation. A Cook County judge not known for being a pushover gave him probation.
âHe got his life back,â Artisâ defense attorney, David McDermott, said Wednesday.
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Isnât it awesome how we can disagree and hash things out in such a civil manner? On the internet no less lol
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Thatâs one of the thing I REALLY APRECIATE about the regulars in this community, for the most part we Can Respectfully disagree.
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âDo you feel safe with a guy that for all intents and purposes, in his head, is shooting every car that goes by?..â
No, to all of your statements Brother.
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I am curious the money that kills Russians in Ukraine, what kind of facility could it potentially buy, for rehabilitating or resettling the homeless (not a jail, but leaving is not up to the residents)
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Or the very soon to be $1trillion/year we will be paying on the interest for our $32 trillion debt. There is a lot we could be doing if our government had some different spending priorities over the past several decades.
Though Iâm not sure how comfortable I would be with a facility that involuntarily detains people who havenât been convicted of serious crimes. For the homeless that do commit crimes I think offering a stay at an assistance/rehabilitation center contingent on them following all the rules and completing all the programs might be very motivating if their alternative is jail.
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You know it doesnât HAVE to be a PRISON/Jail/Concentration camp
for these individuals.
When the hell did âINSTITUTIONSâ become a dirty word?
People did JUST FINE in these institutions in the past, were there some problems?
Corruption? Abuse? YES there was. But for the most part (You canât say INSANE anymore)
It offends some people. People did BETTER under supervised care. Medication dispensed etc.
obviously (for me anyway) if you are a âŠmentally challenged, clearly canât take care of
yourself, violent towards your fellow man etc. you need to be Taken off the streets and Evaluated
for your own welfare as well as the publics welfare. This is not a criminal act caring for our fellow
man or woman. Just look at these 'sanctuary Cities over run w/ the âunhousedâ. Good people who canât
afford to move out are stuck w/ these unbalanced peopleâs actions. How many INNOCENTS have
to die for a more humane act has to be implemented and order restored. In a Civil Society we seem to have acquired a huge amount of Civil UNREST! because of these bleeding hearts (who donât live ANYWHERE near the destruction taking place). This situation is not conducive to a well balanced free Republic. Rampant drug use, public defacation, outrageous crime, business closures is not being a free society if citizens are living in fear of threats of violence and degenerative behavior.
Homelessness is NOT a CRIME. But Insanity needs to be addressed in some folks.
We are governed by rules and regulations that need to be followed. If you canât follow the rules because you have âissuesâ you should be housed and cared for until you are able to rejoin society and live on your own.
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We had one but the ACLU and others pretty much shut them down âYou canât imprison innocent peopleâŠâ was the line. I canât say I donât agree, but as you have articulated, there really are people that NEED to be there.
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YES SIR!
thatâs the ticket!
and EXACTLY what I just said.
Humanity will be restored AFTER we stop the Bleeding
of our out of control governing!
People need to feel safe and secure living their lives.
that is NOT happenning in our Civil Society today.
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Agree completely.
We just need to remember that not all homeless people are mentally ill just as not all mentally ill people are homeless. We can also throw in drugs and alcohol as additional variables. All these problems are diverse and complex especially when they overlap.
While I believe the return of institutions very likely needs to be part of the solution (if done properly), they are clearly not the only thing that needs to be done. Throwing people with minor mental issues in with people with major mental issues likely wonât work well for either group or the rest of society.
The government loves to pass a couple laws and throw some money at a problem and call it all good. That approach almost never works. Simply locking people in prisons has not solved our crime problem. Locking all the homeless people in some other places hasnât worked either. There needs to be a multi prong approach providing safety for society, prevention and paths toward recovery.
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Agree completely also Brother.
This isnât a blanket case of wash, rinse, dry, repeat! for all involved.
This whole situation is going to have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.
Each individual has to be âtreatedâ on their own actions and behavior. Insane/violent acts need to
be addressed immediately, the violent need to be off the streets and evaluated. Until such
time they should not be released to WAR on the citizenry. that is not how a society operates.
Just because you are down on your luck, lost your job/house/addiction issues etc doesnât mean you
are a criminal and should be dealt with as such. But you do a crime (especially Violent ones)
You need to be removed until you regain self control, treatment, medication or simply need a safe place to get your act together (3-hots-an-a-cot) can do wonders when all you may need is a SAFE HAVEN to recover from your unfortunate experiences.
BUT TREAT ALL! with respect and dignity they deserve. this isnât lock 'em all up (or put away so we donât have to SEE the issues/situation anymore). If you ask any Guards that work in the system there are too many bat-sh-- crazies in there that wreak havoc on a daily basis. Iâm sorry to admit some people just need to be humanely executed. They caused destruction out in the world and continue to threaten lives incarcerated. just because someone is in prison doesnât mean they should be subjected to violence and insanity while doing their time. that is not conducive to their rehabilitation. thatâs makes them a victim once more and can warp the gentlest of souls. And then a monster is created.
the real problem is Bleeding hearts in positions of power and control (whoâs own lives are often times out of control) make blanket decisions for âthe massesâ yet want âeveryone to be free!â
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You donât want anyone that commits a crime to held accountable, you believe that people should be able to do whatever they want with no repercussions is that right?? So in other word you want to do away with a civil society completely.
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Not at all.
Please answer this question and you will get an idea :
Do you think these people belong in jail?
What about a father who gives his 25 year old concealed carry licensed daughter a handgun without going through an FFL? Should they be in federal prison?
I suspect that the people who commit murder are rarely ârationally thinking.â Murder, like killing oneâs spouse, is often a crime committed while intoxicated, or something done in the heat of an argument. Itâs not a crime where the perp weighs the consequences of his/her actions in a rational manner.
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