Here is one I’d like you to answer:
Are you comfortable with people murdering dozens of children in school because semi automatic rifles are legal to own?
Because my logic tells me this is the exact same question/situation as what I am being proposed in here
I’m not comfortable with any of that. All of those sound like criminal acts. But charging and booking all those people at most only gets them off the streets for a few days. More likely a few hours. How many homeless do we have now in the US? I don’t think throwing them all permanently in jail is feasible or affordable even if we could find a legal reason to do so.
The cops can push them to other streets or other towns but the problem still remains and will eventually get pushed back your way again.
This is a mess that has been around forever but has gotten significantly worse over the past several decades. I think it is as much a signal and symptom of our failing economy as it is of our failures as a society to deal with mental illness, drugs addiction and other social and individual economic factors. As our economy worsens this is only going to get much worse.
I guess we could go for a NAZI style ultimate solution to the homeless problem but I suspect the majority here would be very uncomfortable with that path. I know I would. That leaves a lot of hard, slow acting and very expensive options that would likely have to be done in unison and may not succeed despite our best efforts.
What % of the homeless “addict” population has an underlying untreated mental illness that would exist and result in them being in the same situation regardless of the legality of drugs?
Even better: What has the laws against these drugs done to stop what is happening, from happening anyway?
Really? “No Cindy that’s not an erect penis, that’s a guy with a drinking problem”?
Jay walking isn’t legal around here, but again, you want to criminalize the guy driving down the road minding his own business.
Oh do you REALLY believe the stats china gives out?! Or any communist country? Conversation over for me at least.
Yes, really…if being naked with an erect penis on a public road is legal, I suggest we address that and make it illegal…not push for drugs to be illegal
No, I want to point out that the action you are describing is itself illegal.
The issue isn’t whether or not drugs are legal, the issue is that jaywalking is not legal.
You are continually describing illegal actions and saying that because people do things which are illegal, despite them being illegal…drugs must be illegal. Because of jaywalkers and public nudity and robberies. It makes no sense. Those things are all already illegal. So, when people do them…take action because they are doing something illegal. Something which infringes on the Liberty of others. There is no need to tell the government to dictate what substances adults can or can not put into their body because people jaywalk and rob and walk around public streets naked.
I provided a reference for the data. If you have a different source, you can share it as well.
The fact is, the US incarcerates more total people and a higher % of its citizens than any other nation in the world. This is an objective fact. And not a good thing to lead
I could maybe agree with that if not for our court system’s repeated attempts to convict innocent people. There are also more than a few people who wind up in prison for murder who I likely would have judged to be acting in self defense. You can’t undo a mistaken or intentionally unjust death penalty
I guess it would also depend on the definition of murder as well. If two guys get in a shoving match and one falls and cracks his skull open is that a hangable murder? If a wife gets beaten by her husband for a decade and then snaps and kills him when she thinks he might be about to lose his temper and hit her again should she be hung?
I myself would probably have a hard time choosing between being executed and having all my freedoms taken away and thrown in prison with a bunch of violent criminals for the rest of my life. Which is actually the worse punishment?
I have read that given the appeals and all the extra legal hoops with the death penalty that it is actually cheaper to just lock people away until their miserable lives run out. I personally would rather see the truly violent, evil criminals be forced to spend the rest of their lives doing annoying and dirty jobs that no one else wants to do. Like maybe make them melt the gold out of toxic electronics instead of making kids in third world countries do that.
Would that result in someone like Harold Fish, who lawfully defended himself, being put to death? He was, after all, convicted of murder
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=4266
And it reads like something straight out of the UN or the left’s scrip. Now my question is who is providing the numbers for countries like china, north korea, and russia. The article doesn’t say. Those countries are providing it. Your first post only said 629 per….that’s it. Not Per 10k, 100k, 1M. You either knowingly left out a population standard to bolster your argument or you’re misrepresenting.
China is consistently listed in the world’s top five countries of human rights violations.you can present all the articles you want but the information is flawed so is the article.
The key word would be premeditated, if some one breaks into your house and you’re tried and convicted of murder but not of premeditated murder that shouldn’t receive the death penalty. If there’s a shoving match once again not premeditated. I should have clarified better, if you find out your spouse is sleeping with some guy and two days later you kill him… death penalty!
I went and looked at who was providing the resource info. Every last one of them was a bleeding heart liberal organization. I trust them about as I trust dog crap not to draw flies.
I’m a little more open to the death penalty in premeditated cases especially if the victim/s were truly innocent and/or the act particularly heinous. Though my previous concerns still apply.
I provided the link to the source.
Do you have a different source you find more credible that shows different you would like to share?
I didn’t say that.
I apologize if I inferred wrong
What is the relevance of robbery, jaywalking, or public nudity when the topic is whether or not drug and alcohol use should be illegal?
I did quick match.
2,078,000 incarcerated with a population of 340,000,000 is an incarceration rate of 0.608% of the population
That’s a rate of 608 per 100k
So that is what those numbers must be. With a six hundred something for the USA the rates are listed per 100k
