One minor correction, the USA has been invaded. The British invaded in 1812 and burned the White House. Johnny Horton immortalized the Battle of New Orleans in a song.
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Oh my gosh…Johnny Horton, my dad loved his music and Hank Williams…I think dad shook hands with Hank Williams, (and with Richard Nixon). I remember dad singing their songs…and whistling….
My mrs’ dad, would listen to the Animals and sing their songs…speaking of New Orleans “House of the rising sun”…those were the days.
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Good points, friend.
I am old enough to remember when Roe V. Wade was forced upon the American people. I have always been curious about the world around me, & I read the newspaper avidly. Kidnapping was a real deal back then. Pick up any Reader’s Digest from the early 70’s and there’ll be some story about how someone survived a kidnapping. Airplane hijackings were a thing, too.
But a funny thing happened soon after Roe V Wade forced abortion on the US populace.
Kidnappings went way down.
Airplane hijackings went down for other reasons; but kidnappings went way down…and then changed. Nowdays, you almost NEVER hear of any kidnap victim’s family getting a ransom demand. You’re lucky to even find a body to bury.
I think that even the Really Bad Guys figured out, that if a perfect, innocent baby was only worth maybe $200 (the cost of an abortion), then someone older with less cuteness factor would be worth way less.
Along with this, the rise of sex industry (Hugh Hefner’s “Playboy” empire, arguing that porn was a victimless crime, it’s no one’s business what consenting adults do, etc …) also devalued women.
Yes, the elimination of God from our schools played a part. Sometimes I wonder; if we had let Him stay, would we have been subject to Roe V Wade & the following loss of respect for life?
Nowdays we have people who not only do not value life for its own sake – but only for the pleasure it gives them ( i.e. rent a kid out for sex), we have many who actually desire to be their own deity. They wouldn’t put it in quite those words, but it is exactly what they want. “what’s true for me may not be true for you,” and so on. The use of drugs to alter reality brings the belief that reality is what I want it to be. You wrote “I’m so tired of the stupid laws!” – yes, me too – I noticed decades ago that our laws were in conflict with each other. Any time you rule by emotion that’;s what you get.
I think the nation needs a return to religion… and it need not be the entire nation; most national revivals have a huge effect at what we’d think are very low levels, such as less than 25%. Frankly, we need God… or at the very least, we need leaders who know & obey Him. “When the righteous rule, the people are glad” – even the non-righteous people benefit from having godly government. but when the wicked are in charge, everyone suffers - righteous and wicked both. If we can persuade the wicked that having righteous people in charge is good for them we’d be ahead of the game, but there is the “I wanna be God” factor again. Sorry.
Don’t be discouraged, friend. It IS frustrating, very much so, but separating out the wheat from the chaff is necessary.
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Borders, Language and Culture is an excellent book.
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The days you speak of was it US Government, Civics or Social Studies. Next look at the content of each.
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Was still going in late 1814, at least at Ft McHenry.
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Kidnapping has not lessened. The reporting of human trafficking has lessened.
For example, check the FBI crime data records, online, as an easy place to get base figures.
Check the number of related arrests to previous years.
The Media reporting of most things that support what the people here are speaking about has shifted.
This has not been an organic shift. It has not been to the benefit of Americanism.
Agreed. These give me everything, I don’t wanna work for anything, the wealthy owe me a college education, the tax paying blue collar worker should pay my healthcare (notice I didn’t say government funded), make me feel safe Socialist scroungers are wishing in one hand (if they think I’m giving anything up to their narcissistic ways) and crapping in the other. Let’s see which hand fills up faster…
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Always creates goosebumps. I’ve teared up probably several hundred times in my life; once when my daughter was born. The other times, listening to the National Anthem.
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Have you ever noticed they don’t even consider that they would have the crappiest health care and most would die before you could get treatment)?
I would also work for the rest of my life to pay of my college than handed to me (Don’t like handouts)!
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Absolutely. If you are over 60, forget it…you’re dead. And don’t forget about social status. Government chooses.
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You do not need, nor is it required, to believe in God to be moral and ethical. If God’s rules are absolute, why are there so many various ideas and sects - within all religions? Why do so many “religious” people fail, if religion is the great teacher of morality and ethics? Oh, I know, you have free will, but that also means that being “religious” does not mean being “righteous”. But I am sure God will forgive you, just pray to him, or whatever your religion tells you to do to be “forgiven”.
I don’t mind you mentioning your belief in the supernatural, but I do mind it when being told how not believing is akin to being amoral or immoral. I am not against religion nor those that believe, I am only against proselytizing. I live a good, moral, ethical life - without God(s). I do believe in the Biblical sentiment about do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but that is not just a Christian ideal nor moral.
Not only do those that “cling to our Bibles” believe in the RKBA, but those that “cling” to other religious books, too. Judaism, Islam, and Sikh, are a few other religions that believe in one God, but “cling” to different religious books. Which one should be part of school? Why would religion need to be a part of school, if it is taught in church or wherever one attends to one’s religious needs?
Removing “God” from school cannot possibly be the reason for society’s issues of today. If belief in God is so tenuous that its removal from school caused the downfall of society, how did societies prosper in the past when we did not have government-funded public schooling, and most people were ignorant and illiterate?
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Iran has “Godly” government, oddly, we here in the states call it oppressive.
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There are entire forums dedicated to answering those questions.
People of faith wrestle with them, too.
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You obviously missed my point. I do not “wrestle” with that, as an Atheist, that would be pointless. I was pointing out the absurdity of his “God of absolute rules” and how morally superior he believes those that believe in the supernatural are, and the accusation about the amorality/immorality of those that do not believe in the supernatural.
Yes, those that believe in the supernatural do have good reason to question the rationality of their belief system. The issue is as you stated, this is supposed to be about firearms, related laws, and the RKBA, not about how belief in a supernatural entity controls our morality, which it obviously does not.
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Easy, now.
I never said you did. I’m not interested in an Atheist/believer debate here. I was merely pointing out that the statement you made is something others have said throughout history, and wrestle with. It’s not unique.
As for missing your point, my reply merely attempted to point at the questions you raised and replied to just that segment of your post. You have nothing to base your argument upon as to whether I missed your point.
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No offense intended. I dont agree with you but we are free people. Peace be with you.
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Your post is specific to those questions, which implies that you took issue with my pointing out the absurdity of the moral superiority of the “religious”, which is my point.
The questions were rhetorical, to point out the absurdity of his statement about the moral superiority of the “religious”. You have deflected again in your reply, as I have stated this thread should not about theology or lack there of. Neither does it matter if people “throughout history” have questioned their belief in the supernatural, that has zero to do with the point of my post.
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I wouldn’t state I am offended, but I do not appreciate being called amoral/immoral based on the fact that I do not believe in God. When you post about religion on this site, you are not “preaching to the choir”, but to everyone that reads the thread. Not everyone believes in a Christian God, nor even God(s). When you accuse one group of being amoral/immoral because they to not believe in the supernatural, that is wrong, whether or not you believe it to be. I believe a character in your religious book might have some words for you on that.
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To the moderators, sorry I got this going. I will stick to 2A related subjects from now on. This is not the forum for religious debates.
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