What just happened in Pennsylvania

This does not look good for gun owners to me. Folllow and read the link below, then lets hear your opinion.

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Some of it it pretty vague “feel good” stuff.

Some of it won’t do anything useful (gun buy-backs) and may increase property crimes.

Some of it might actually be useful (combating the systemic causes of violence including poverty, economic opportunities, mental and behavioral health supports… although I don’t know what a government agency is going to do to combat hopelessness)

Some of it is a reasonable-sounding smoke screen for what could be red-flag laws, confiscations, monitoring of individuals, etc.

All of it requires a lot of government investment in committees, which rarely results in optimum solutions for anything, and will certainly create red tape, overhead, and involve the punishing the uninvolved. :angry:

And the data sharing thing… :unamused:

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It looks like all “gun control” laws. It will do nothing to control gun crime.

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It’s all grandstanding. With all his new “committees” and “research groups” he’s just creating the illusion that he’s doing something.

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Oh, but it will help unemployment, cause someone’s going to have to answer phones and coordinate that info that’s got to be at least another 1,000 jobs at the government trough (I see a tax hike in some states future) and make everyone feel good. Back before this year’s expo I actually called and asked why on Earth would the USCCA GIVE such a big monetary input to a state that was going the direction that Pennsylvania is.

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… but only on gun and ammo purchases, I’d bet :angry: “Administrative fees” are regularly used to punish disapproved behavior. This will be no different.

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This part actually interests me… combating the systemic causes of violence including poverty, economic opportunities, mental and behavioral issues. If that were a REAL effort with PRACTICAL solutions, I think its closer to addressing the root cause of violence than anything else on the table. I don’t have clear ideas on what exactly would work, but we don’t have a gun problem, we have a violence problem.

The violence problem is not evenly distributed… its heavily concentrated in the inner cities. The mass shooter problem is heavily concentrated in people with emotional health issues.

If we could get at root cause, or effective intervention, in those areas, MANY kinds of violence would be reduced, and that includes “gun violence”.

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Ok I’ll lose my temper for a few minutes here so just forgive me.

Notice there’s not one damned suggestion in there for anyone being appointed to any of those committees or agencies with any experience in self defense/licensed carry training?

Notice there’s not one damned thing in there about formulating plans to get schools to refer “troubled” violent students or students they believe to be “on the edge” to police for evaluation and adjudication?

Not one damned thing in there about better coordination and reviewing laws to reduce concerns with medical/psychological professionals making recommendations to LE/Judiciary to get people declared ineligible that pose a threat via 72hr evals and commitment hearings to declare them incompetent and ineligible?

Notice there’s not one damned thing in there anywhere that if enacted would have prevented any of the high profile mass shootings this year, or the shootout with police this week?

Notice there’s absolutely nothing in there about improving reporting ineligible people to NICS?

I’m sorry but this just seems like a pre packaged election year roll out of feel good crap to pacify the anti gun left that won’t make anyone in the community one bit safer or do anything to protect the rights of law abiding gun owners.[/rant].

Don’t worry, we’ll see much, much more of the same things coming out in virtually every state and at the national level going into 2020.

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Hmmmm mebby this chuckle head should start with the basic’s like enforcing the laws on the books and taking criminal’s with multiple previous CONVICTIONS off the street.

How’s about instead of creating more bureaucracy to the tune of millions, you invest that into more prison’s and create more jobs to staff them.

How’s about you invest in job ready trade skills in High Scrool that will allow under privileged kids to have a chance at a life instead of going on the dole and drug/gang route. BRING BACK SHOP CLASS and MORE!!!

You want to combat gun violence, GOOD!!! But you need to address the root cause of why there is that violence and why it is that your major cities are breeding grounds for that violence. Obviously giving a man a fish is not working no matter how you dress it up, you need to teach him to fish.

Cheers,

Craig6

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I read in this article that PA Police will be doing the BACKGROUND CHECKS IN THE STATE. And not going through the FBI system. NV a few years ago wrote a BACKGROUND CHECK LAW that called out to use the FBI to do BACKGROUND CHECKS. The law wasn’t able to be followed because NV didn’t use the FBI to do BACKGROUND CHECKS. So they weren’t to enforce the law. And this is a problem that is also a NATIONAL ISSUE with the BACKGROUND CHECKS that the ANTI-GUN PEOPLE/GROUPS keep trying to push. And the problem is that NOT ALL STATES REPORT TO THE NATIONAL BACKGROUND SYSTEM. So people that should not own guns in one place and fail a BACKGROUND CHECK IN ONE PLACE OR STATE CAN JUST GO TO ONE WHERE THEIR INFO ISN’T IN THE SYSTEM BARRING THEM FROM OWNING A GUN.

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Last I checked only 13 states were fully compliant with reporting, 16-20 mostly compliant and some states were less than 12% compliant.

Pathetic.

If we need anything we need to make it easier to get the mentally ill identified, adjudicated, and committed and to ensure that whatever changes in law are necessary to accomplish this and get all states 100% compliant are passed as quickly as possible.

Between that and fully enforcing existing laws we could actually solve a lot of the crime problem as it would take millions of felons and mentally ill off of the street.

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I wonder …

Trump has mentioned that he want’s improved background checks if this might be a solution that he is looking for. The concept of “Mandatory Universal Background Checks” means that you have to go to an FFL to sell a gun which means you have to pay them for their time, they are the only ones with the phone #.

What if there was a publicly accessible venue that by typing in a Drivers license # (the SSN thing is out but the DL# is tied to it so all cross referencing can be done behind the firewall) to find out if the person you are selling to is a good guy or not?

Obviously there would have to be buy in from all 50 states for at least the criminal part. I fear the mental health issue will be a much tougher battle with the advent of HIPPA. That said if an individual was TDO or 5150 that “should” be in the “legal” side of the house.

I don’t want the Fed’s in my life anymore than anyone else does but the basic info they should already have so (been arrested / incarcerated / mental eval etc.) it’s not like it’s a secret. I can look up pending or convictions on anyone I can name in VA.

The he!! with the gun show loop hole, let’s fix the LE loop hole. There are a lot of things I left out like social media and such but let’s do one thing correctly.

What say you?

Cheers,

Craig6

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I think my head is going to explode. Only good people obey the laws that why we are called law obeyding citizens bad people do not obey the laws thats why they are called criminals. Can you see where I am going with this. These dopes can’t get it through their heads crooks don’t obey the law. So why would make more laws? If the criminals don’t obey them? It just make things tougher for the LAW OBEYDING citizens forgive the spelling but I am sure you can figure it out. 20,000 plus laws fed state and local havn’t done any good whats makes this chuckle head think he is going to solve the problem. In my opinion which we all know opinion are like as------ everyone has one is the police are never there when shi- hits the fan so you either take care of it yourself or be a victim. If every law obeyding citizen carried criminals would be less likely to attack, if they thought everyone in the room could shoot back. Now I am not stupid and don’t think all law obyding people will carry, but if you passed a law that said you can. The crooks wouldn’t know who was and who wasn’t that might be the deturent don’t pull a gun on a room filled with people with guns ok I am done comment if you want its just the way I feel

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What we have is total disregard for human life and the moral collapse of the country. There is no magic that’s gonna fix the decay of values in America. Mostly driven by the socialist left’s hate of the USA to destroy the country from within. It’s been slowly happening for decades and we have been asleep at the wheel. Removing God, creating mass dependency on government, creating division, etc. trends which need to be reversed before it’s too late. Not trying to be a downer but …

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All points are valid ones! Same problems still remain! No one or should I say “side” wants to be the first to commit TO ANYTHING! First side to commit to a REAL solution will become the front runner and most likely remain up front. Why do you think the Dems are so hard at working to change the Constitution? If they were to get something right for a change, look out!

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The problem is this: you cannot legislate morality. Make all the laws you want, someone about to break the law is not going to care about breaking more than one. It only punishes law abiding citizens. Plus really, how many shootings have been done by people who legally bought a gun?

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I believe the most important part of all of the violence is … CRIMINALS do not obey laws and CRIMINALS do not respect other peoples lives. It is the criminals that should be targeted and not law abiding citizens. It seems to me that the liberal minded hammer heads only attack law abiding people (because WE listen to the “reasoning” of the turds), elderly (because the turds believe WE are too weak to fight their agenda) and children (because the turds believe that the youngsters are taught to RESPECT others). It is always the defenseless that seem to suffer from THEIR AGENDA.

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I did notice. I also noticed that there wasn’t one damn thing about heightening the war on drugs.

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The guns don’t commit the crime or violence. It is crime with a gun, violence with a gun. DO NOT help the anti-freedom league by using their terminology.

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I sit corrected! I am very aware of how the anti’s twist words to their sick cause. I will do better, thanks for the correction.

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