No, that was just one point I hit on as an example. The rest of your post, as usual, was also garbage.
Of course you did.
But you carry and theoretically, will use lethal force, again as I said earlier, making you judge, jury and executioner, making you a hypocrite.
I don’t want to be unkind by dragging this on longer than necessary. I appreciate engaging with you because we have different perspectives. Among other things, that means I can learn something from you even if we disagree. Those I disagree with make me think more than those I agree with. Thank you for making me think. (Yes, that’s a sincere thank you.)
I’m asking myself, where do you and I agree and where do we disagree? To that end, I find this statement of yours helpful:
My perspective:
Again, not trying to drag this on. I appreciate you sharing your perspective. I appreciate you making me think. Your response to the above is certainly welcome and if I’ve misunderstood or misrepresented, correction is desired.
I understand both sides of this issue. I couldn’tgive 2 shidts on the criminal. They dont deserve anything. Just my opinion
What pisses me off the most is that taxpayers have to pay to keep them alive when they have been sentenced to death.
Go through the appeals process and if the conviction and sentencing is upheld, kill them. Dont dick around for 20 years.
There is that too!
I’ve been an eye for an eye kind of guy for a long time.
I don’t feel that murderers should be sentenced to life in prison, just drag them out back of the courthouse and let them swing from the gallows!
Hell of a lot cheaper than keeping them alive for decades!
I had never honestly thought about the impact on the victims family.
Knowing that the killer is still alive, then having to deal with repeated appeals as they try to weasel their way out of jail….
Honestly, this story reinforces my belief in capital punishment!
Justice is served, and the victims are made whole as is possible.
Look, I have no problem with killing him/her if they killed somebody. That is not my point. It was about making him suffer for what he has done. That is why I suggested letting him rot would be more suffering than lodging a bullet in his head. So, I do not think we disagree on this; it is more about how and why it is carried out.
Again, this is not really about him/her as far as their life is concerned. I think that is where we go wrong; I am just pointing out what would be a worse punishment. This is my point.
I agree. Real justice is if they let a family member look him in the eye and carry out the sentence.
I wholeheartedly concur with this. Personally I enjoy good conversation like this, so thank you. The @Dave17s of the world are just an annoyance. They are too limited mentally to carry on an adult conversation. They cannot comprehend the subject matter. I feel sorry for them; something traumatic must have happened to them as a child that stunted their development and locked them into a child’s mentality. Maybe he was an altar boy. 
The cost for an inmate to go through all the trials and appeals for a death sentence is significantly more expensive than life imprisonment, with studies estimating costs can be as high as $2 million to $3 million per case, or even more. This is due to the extensive legal process, which includes a guilt-phase trial, a penalty phase, and multiple layers of automatic and discretionary appeals, plus higher costs for housing death row inmates.
I am with you on this. It is sad they have to show up for what should be a no-brainer. They should never get to rejoin society.
To quote you @Dave17 about this post.
Get a freaking clue and stop trying to push your dreamed-up narrative. You understand by repeatedly doing this you expose what is truly going wrong with this country; it is YOU!!!
Life in prison would be worse than the death penalty carried out….if it ever is.
I just try (I can’t and hope never have to) put myself in the victims family shoes. Answers dont bring their loved one back, neither does killing the murderer or even life in prison.
Look at the Idaho murderer, he pled and it took the death penalty off the table. Now life in prison with no answers.
I dont know what’s right, guess case by case.
Yeah, @Joel106, That was my whole point, then @Dave17 had to twist it into something it is not. All the misunderstanding started.
I still think if they are going to execute him/her, there should be an option for the family member to carry it out; now that would be justice. Let him look into the eyes of the person most affected by his crime.
It seems to me that if these so called human rights fools don’t want to see Hasan pay the penalty, than let them pay for his upkeep, including all expenses for the remainder of his sorry life!
I agree. If something bad happened to one of my family members, I would happily pull the trigger, press the button or whatever. I’ll deal with god over it when I die.
There is no good answer but I do believe in eye for an eye.
Murderes and rapist get no sympathy from me. They took something from the victim or the victims family that cannot be replaced. I rate thieves up there also but stolen goods can be replaced
Again, not sure why you are referencing him when talking to me.
I thought we weren’t talking about and exchanging ideas not talking about people.
This quote has been posted on this forum before. It bears repeating.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Not saying you are small minded. But I’m personally not interested in engaging in criticism of other people. I’ve been on the receiving end of it far too many times. I’d rather find common ground or ideas to kick around to learn something from someone. (It’s doubtful I’ll ever teach anyone anything! 
Sorry. I just like self-depreciating humor.)
I understand, like I pointed out. My premise was, how would he suffer the most? Then it got twisted or perverted to somehow mean I am against the death penalty. I tell people all the time you are not smart enough to put words in my mouth.
Release the pedo files…
Sorry for that. honestly, I was just being lazy should have addressed him directly. It was more a thing about me appreciating the conversation with you. despite the daves of the world interjecting lies and twisting what I say.
My impression from this statement was that you thought that I might be against the death penalty. Which may have been fortified by the words Dave was saying as he twisted my meaning. I now have the understanding, which I applaud, that you think for yourself. Again, it was a Pavlovian response to the conditioning I have received, perpetrated by others around here. I apologize to you, not for the words I used to refer to Dave. In this case they seem apropos. I am fine with being small in this case. For not leaving him out of it and addressing you directly and subsequently addressing him after. I now feel like I tracked mud into your house… Sorry.
Oh, BTW, I am a big fan of Eleanor Roosevelt. taught a few of her quotes to my kids. Also Samuel Clemens. I used one of hers and Samuel Clemens combined. “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” coupled with “Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.” I used to make them recite it back to me.
Another way to look at it. I believe the number 1 thing people want is to live. Some may not like their lives or whatever, but they want to see tomorrow.
Take that away from the criminals and we win. Hell of a deterrence also.
To be completely blunt in a kind way, no one ever needs to apologize to me!
I honestly hope others are watching this exchange because you’ve taken a lot of heat on these forums, but it really appears to me that you are engaging with me in a kind, professional, and appropriate way. Thank you. I sincerely hope Ive done the same for you.
You’ve won my respect through this. And I’m better for the exchange.
Those are awesome. Great things to teach your kids. I’m stealing them!
If I feel I was wrong or wronged a person unintentionally for a difference in beliefs, then by all means I apologize. This is something you will never see from the ones I labeled as the cabal here. I do wish to exchange ideas and better understand what drives people and what is behind their belief system. Also for the record, if you don’t start shiat with me, there will be none coming your way from me.
I have enjoyed the exchange. Immensely, “Thank You.” I forgot to consider the parole boards and what they put the individuals through. Thank you for reminding me of it. I hope you did see my point about how to make him/her suffer the most and what they should do legally to rectify the situation.