great… Walgreens is “no open carry” and CVS is “don’t bring firearms into our stores”. Costco is out, Walmart is out… I’m pretty much out of drugstores.
Rite Aid is still not on record:
Seriously, I’m going to just have to stock up with all the normal OTC meds by ordering online, and then use a prescription pharmacy (at higher prices) if we need anything with a script. 
I, like @Tom_Grieve, am not an employment lawyer and do not know the law of your state. That said, based on your posts it looks like you are in Illinois. Illinois is an employment at will state which means you or your employer can terminate the employment relationship at any time without cause. The caveat to this is if there is an employment contract or they act in a manner contrary to some other law, i.e. discrimination.
She obviously doesn’t fully understand the company’s new policy or the difference between open and concealed carry. I am not saying the way you handled it was incorrect. Since she obviously doesn’t understand the policy or the difference between the two carry options this was an educational opportunity missed. You do have the choice of whether you want to take the opportunity or not. Politely explaining that the policy is only towards open carry along with the differences between open and concealed could have gone a long way instead of angering someone who could make things difficult. Just my opinion.
It is ANY stores right to ban open carry so i am not really sure what the issue is? My personal opinion is I am not sure why people open carry at all, it is not important to project that you are armed, concealed carry is the best method because people simply don’t need to know you carry a weapon.
They can ask however does that trump (no pun intended) override our 2nd amendment and the right to carry?
Does that mean we can sue any store that has a shooting in it, because of the store policies your life could be in danger at any time while grocery shopping. I’m sure the people in EL PASO didnt think they would be killed at a walmart for no reason.
Welcome @Paul60! Private persons, meaning individuals and other legal entities such as corporations, actually can infringe on your rights as long as they do so without discriminating. In other words, they can make rules that apply to all people but not one that would only apply to a protected class. A business can prohibit weapons of any type if they choose. Consumers can choose not to do business with such entities but cannot stop them from enforcing the businesses own rights to allow or not allow certain people or things on their property.
With respect to what happened to @Billy7 at Walmart, I cannot say he mishandled the situation. I would say that once the weapon became visible, it was not, at that time, concealed. An employee of the store can ask if you are armed but they cannot require you to answer the question. If the store chose to ask him to leave I would advise him, or any other person, to leave.
If asked if he was carrying a gun, I would just not have answered the question. She can ask, but she cannot make you answer. Whether I am carrying a firearm at any particular time is limited to a need to know. If a law enforcement officer asks me, I will tell them. My wife will know. Some friends will know. Otherwise, they can only guess.
It is not the duty of the customer to educate the store’s employees. In the case mentioned she was not open to hearing what he would have said regardless.
I think he handled himself well. That he didn’t further the story by saying he was approached by management and asked to leave and no other conversation was had about it with any store employee is a small bit of confirmation that the store likely decided the employee was wrong to ask the question and interfere with the customer’s store experience.
The employee needs to be educated on the policy as the CEO’s own statement said they are taking a passive approach to the matter. I read that as they prefer/ask that customers not OC in the stores but if someone does they aren’t going to confront them about it and cause a scene.
Thanks for your input @MikeBKY. I share your views on this.
The Wal-Mart shooting in Texas was a real tragedy, but Wal Mart failed to protect its customers from harm, now they are trying to remove the presents of firearms from there stores by law abiding customers, this presents could help to protect us from these lunatics! I personally am boycotting Wal Mart, Wal Greens, Krogers and any other retailer that chooses to try to take away any part of my constitutional rights, and chooses to take away my ability to protect my family and myself, it will only be a matter of time until they remove firearms completely from there establishments
. I ask that you join me in boycotting these retailers!
No, they are not. Read carefully, they are “asking” customers to not open carry. In all cases but CVS they have said nothing about concealed carry.
And it’s “presence”.
Its a persons right to chooses how they prefer to carry there firearm, taking away this choice is a violation of there 2nd amendment rights, I prefer to carry concealed but that’s my choice!
There has been a lawsuit against a Kroger supermarket in Kentucky because they did nothing to prevent people from carrying in their stores. Two people were killed when a man walked in and shot two people both African American. Before going to Kroger, he stopped at and was trying to get in to a nearby church that was predominantly African American.
My point is that you can sue anyone for anything. It does not mean you are going to prevail.
If you do not like or agree with the policies of a business, you should choose to take your business elsewhere. A business is not the insurer of an invitee’s safety and most criminal acts are considered a superseding, intervening cause which would not cast liability on the business owner unless there was a history of violence that would justify increased security.
@HKshooter first off I would like to welcome you to the group.
I never once said he handled himself or the situation incorrectly. Likewise, I never said he had to educate the employee just that it was a missed educational opportunity. Along with saying it is his choice whether wanting to take it or not.i also stated it was just my opinion.
I am a consultant by trade. Part of my job is to give options. It’s the individual’s or group’s right to make their choices. I’m just informing them that there are more than one approach. Sure management should educate their employees better but they don’t. I’m also a member of one of the most marginalized groups in society today. Because of which is why I made the suggestion of educating. I’ve had to do this with educating others about my community because of who I am. Do I have to? No. Should I have to? Also, no. I do because people in general don’t care to learn the facts or give the facts either.
Sucks to! As a former employee I guess should
Have known they would do this yet they don’t worry about their employees when they are on overnights by themselves!!
Because they don’t care! It’s all about the bottom dollar now!!
I, as an individual, cannot violate another person’s Constitutional rights. A business, also a person under the law, generally cannot violate another person’s Constitutional rights (with the major exception being discrimination). Only the government can violate your Constitutional rights as promulgated in the Bill of Rights.
“The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”
This is part of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights. With the exception of those civil rights that have been legislated with respect to discrimination of certain protected classes, the Bill of Rights protects the people from abuses from the government, not from other people. These rights are only protected by state actors under the color of law.
If I have guests in my home, I do not need to allow them to speak freely or practice their religion or speak out against the government. Likewise, a business can do the same. A grocery store or a mall does not need to allow picketers to congregate or walk through their property protesting some cause. It is private property even if it is open to the public and a private person or entity is not capable of violating your constitutional rights.
An excellent post and something many need to hear and learn about, @MikeBKY. Most don’t know this and the point above about education is one that should be sung on both sides of the issue, ie; CC vs OC and the “violation of rights”.
When I made that comment it was in response to that mans comment that he didn’t understand why anyone would open carry, I don’t violate anyone’s right to tell me they don’t want me carrying my fire arm on there property, I don’t spend my money there either. It just bothers me when a person finds it more comfortable to carry concealed puts down an other person for carrying open, both should have the choice
I respect your opinion and I also respect the right of a private person to say what they will or will not allow on their property. I understand a businesses concern about people openly carrying firearms and the probability it will be offensive to other customers whether warranted or not. The incident at the Oklahoma Walmart shortly after El Paso is a good example of how many in the public look at openly carried firearms. Of course, the timing of the OK incident occurred when the wounds from El Paso were still raw.