Yes I have been Tased before, yes I have been maced before. Neither stopped me. But I was a younger man then. No I was not under the influence of any substances. Other than pure rage.
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Just goes to show, you never know what may happen at anytime & anywhere.
Stay Aware of your surroundings.
Thanks for the video.
The flaw I see is, officers are people and this becomes a HUMAN FACTOR, we have flaws.
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Fake tasers?
Maybe a dating app, his hobbies include, remote electrical stimulation, long walks at night and enjoys the company of law enforcement!
What a great guy!
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Wires attached dating service?
Your post got me crackling up 
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Symptoms look like excited delirium. He would be in acute medical emergency and not in control of his actions at that point. Needs chemical sedation and a trip to the hospital
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RE: Thread title.
Generally, if your life is on the line, you do want something more reliable than pepper spray or a taser. The real benefit to having a less lethal or non lethal option, such as pepper spray or even a Taser, is for the self defense situations that have not risen to the level of using lethal force. Where your life is not on the line, but you are needing to use some level of force to defend yourself.
Perusing FBI UCR stats indicates that the vast majority of attacks and thus potential self defense incidents are not to the level of justifying lethal force. Which are then probably, often, a good application for pepper spray/taser.
Generally a firearm and pepper spray/mace/tasers are different tools for different jobs, neither really replaces the other.
Carry both. 
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A video on ASP will show why I have hesitancy for less lethal options such as a Taser/Stun Gun. Or even OC spray.
Sorry/Not sorry for thread resurrection. ITS ALIVE.
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Is there a specific time in that video where pepper spray was used?
Is there a specific time in this video where pepper spray didnât work, but something else would have worked and have been safer to the self defender?
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You know there isnât. You watched it just like I did. I started this thread awhile back. Perhaps, checking the thread title. Itâs a bit disingenuous @Nathan57, you know exactly what this thread is about. So please, miss me with these comments.
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I didnât watch all 13 minutes, I skimmed enough I thought I had a gist but could have missed a lot.
What I remember from this thread is posting about the usefulness of pepper spray for self defense. I wondered if there was something like that in the video.
What would you have rather the individuals in the video used instead of a less lethal tool?
So, you believe that pepper spray would have worked when several taser shots did nothing? BTW the title of the thread is not âThe Usefulness of Pepper Sprayâ, it is âThis is why I do not trust Mace or Tasers[âŠ]â. The video clearly shows how ineffective a taser is against some people. We have also seen videos of people where mace/pepper spray was also ineffective.
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I believe the video given was a rather different scenario than private citizen self defense and that the definition of âworkedâ is thus rather different. Getting a little bit of an advantage from using the less lethal vs not using the less lethal is my definition of âworkedâ for self defense, which is different from subduing a suspect enough to get handcuffs on them safely.
And I believe quality pepper spray in the eyes is more likely to have an impact on a person than a taser.
The guy was getting tased as he walked down the street and just grunted a bit when hit. That does not meet the âworked for self-defenseâ definition, either.
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I donât knowâŠwas the taser part of the reason he was trying to retreat from the person with the taser? Hard to say given the circumstance, but seems possible? That would be perfect for a non lethal force self defense situationâŠthe person the taser was directed at wanted to get away, Iâd say that works for self defense
I also do prefer pepper spray/OC spray to tasers and wouldnât lump the two together.
A bit of clarification on my definition of worked, it is also stemming from, would that have âworkedâ better without any tool other than bare hands? Would it have been safer for a 1v1 hand to hand, than with the less lethal tool? Because for a non lethal force encounter that is above the level of verbal commands, thatâs really the comparison, empty hands or a non-lethal/less-lethal tool. Canât compare to a firearm or knife (or possibly even a club/baton, depending) as those are likely to be considered lethal force (somewhat depending on the blunt instrument)
We can speculate if it was the taser, or if it was the police uniforms. The only fact: taser failed to stop the guy from doing what he wanted to do.
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Is that a fact? What if what he wanted to do was fight the police but he didnât want to face the taser and thus he got away?
At any rate, I have never and likely will never personally recommend a taser for individual self defense.
Pepper spray. 
(and neither is to be carried under the assumption that it alone will incapacitate or control an attacker, same as there should not be an assumption that using your empty hands will necessarily incapacitate or control an attacker)
I agree. Pepper spray is good against dogs, on the jog or on the job especially.
I think itâs also good against an attacker or threat that justifies a use of force but not a use of lethal force (statistically, this is the vast majority of attacks/assaults).
Go for the eyes.
The only way to tell with confidence that your attacker does not have lethal intentions or a lethal weapon, is to survive the attack. Personally, have no magic intuition but to folks that do, I wish best of luck to be in the right statistical group.
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