Justin, I know we spoke about it before but since you brought it up, god or his illegitimate kid have nothing to do with morals. While we may disagree on belief or religion, the distinction that morals were not created by religion but capitalized on BY religion needs to be understood. christianity and islam both were derived from judaism. However, before judaism, there was Zoroastrianism which is where most of the stories in the bible were plagiarized like adam and eve, the flood, moses, demons and devils and such. Before Zoroastrianism, there was countless religions that existed and you can look for yourself on wiki at the following page:
My point is that this arrogance to think your religion is both the “right” religion or the original religion is exactly that…arrogant. Even hinduism predates judaism by centuries. So, with this in mind, humanity or people learned to live and thrive together before your religious beliefs ever were even a thought in anyone’s mind. Just like we see in other species where they have societal structures and decide what is and isn’t acceptable, so too do we see it in humanity. Morals are defined as: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character. In short, that means that we could determine right and wrong LONG before our ancestors plagiarized other religions and called it their own. People were functioning as societies, deeming what was right and wrong for their tribes/groups and dictating what were good and bad actions.
Now, like I stated before, you have every right to choose whatever belief you want but if you try and assert something that is vehemently and demonstrably wrong as fact…well…I’ll happily challenge you. Morals and values are determined by the society. Remember, your religion was completely ok with slavery even going so far as stating it was ok to beat your slave so long as they don’t die in 2 days or less yet we as a society determined it was reprehensible so WE as a society ended it. Just like slavery, we have decided on amending countless examples your religion disagreed with like the value of women and how your religion dismisses them(timothy 2:12 as an example). Today we are all equal regardless of gender, race, ethnicity or religion and we as a society determine what is moral and what values we should and shouldn’t have.
Believe in whatever you want, but recognize your belief is just one of literally 1000’s of versions of religions throughout the ages. It only works because it was revised at one point and most followers selectively tune out or make excuses for the more egregious parts so they can stomach the rest. I’m guessing you ARE NOT ok with stoning your kids to death for speaking back at you? Personally one day I hope we can finally place all religious texts where they belong…in the fiction section and allow people to simply believe in whatever they want, IF they want but we can live without the limitations those books impose and be fine. Or do you want to argue that the Earth is really only 6000 years old still and we all are really inbred over many generations of inbreeding from the original adam and eve?
As it is, we are growing as a society. What we’re dealing with right now are growing pains. Yes there are a lot of idiots who are over entitled douchebags who were given too much by their parents and are now dragging the rest of us down, but eventually we’ll get past this and have respect and value what we have. It happens every generation or so and while this one got a little out of hand…we’ll learn and grow from it. Then we’ll get back to smoother days until the next societal discourse rears its ugly head.