I checked in at the Waterfront Marriott in Norfolk, VA. I was given a keycard and told my room number. When I opened the door to the room the occupants belongings were spread all over the room. I carried on that trip and never let my EDC and backup out of my possession.
LOUISIANA LAW:
The provisions of Subsection shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section.
That being stated, some people may interpret you already gained access then it hasnāt been prevented or restricted. Therefore, ejection after access would be the ālimitā to " the right of " under these provisions.
Well said Zee.
Perhaps not entirely germane to the original discussion but when we work the Iowa State Fairgrounds show - which is about 8x a year now - we stay at a Econo-Lodge across the street from the gate. Were they to put any restrictions on concealed or even legal open carry they would loose a lot of business, perhaps damagingly so. Cheap college bus trip groups every so often and otherwise semi-homeless people arenāt consistent and donāt pay the light bill for such a place. But 30+ rooms every show do put a dent in the bills. Those arenāt pool cues and golf clubs in those bags.
I never really paid attention if they had a sign that says no firearms.
All I know is whenever I stayed in a hotel in Florida thereās a safe in the room.
Have run into this issue many times before the pandemic while traveling. Now I specifically call and ask before reserving a room. Had a place in Kansas say firearms were off limits, but the owner said I could store my unloaded firearm in the safe in the office since the hotel parking lot was a high-theft area. No thanks. Speaking of safes, I would never trust a room safe for storage of firearms or valuable valuables. Watched a demonstration how most of them can be breached in less than a minute by a crime professional.
Came back to my hotel one day to a police line and lots of red and blue lights. Some joker apparently had had an ND in his room and the bullet exited his room to visit one or more others.
We work with local hotel managers to find hotels that are firearms friendly so match participants donāt have to leave their firearms in their cars in the parking lot when they come for a match. Many managers are interested in being the designated hotel for a match. Some managers want nothing to do with āgun people.ā Found out that managers have most of the decision making authority about whether their lodging establishment is firearm friendly, though I guess some chains have blanket policies.
I think no matter what, if you bring a firearm into a motel, you better make damned sure you know how to clear it without an āND,ā and if you donāt, best to leave it in its holster attached to your belt and pants. People who have "ND"s are a scourge to the entire community.
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In Texas, a hotel can NOT prevent you from having firearms in your room. Of course if there is a bar or other meeting places, Texas gun laws apply
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Great post Fred_G.
Iāll keep that in mind. Having to deal with topics of carrying, concealed, walking to desk, room, back to car, hotel policy, laws. What if their staff outright asks you, do you have a firearm. In oneās car is not ideal to stow, but neither might be oneās room, even if in a lock box. Lock boxes can be stolen. Perhaps a chain or if the room has an unremovable safe, but those be rare I guess.
I was not aware they can search through your belongings, but I guess because itās their own business.
Like you said, call and research ahead. Careful not to cary when consuming alcohol.
In this story below, although there was a firearms convention in town, notice in the larger security room, there were actually several other bags, luggage, and rifle cases confiscated there.
Remedies?
In Arkansas a no guns declaration has the force of law ONLY if it is posted at each entrance AND is done with a specific wording found in the law.
(I have to teach this in CHCL class.)
Otherwise, a no guns policy as described can be no more than a basis for eviction and civil trespass. And of course that can only happen if they find out you are armed.
FIght Club Rules #1 and 2 prevail.
p.s. If they find out you are armed and have the conversation, DO NOT tell them the sign is wrong; just leave as requested. You might cause them to correct the signage,
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Do āNo Gun Signsā Have the Force of Law?
āYESā Ā§ 5-73-306
(19) (A)(i) A place owned or operated by a private entity that prohibits the carrying of a concealed
handgun that posts a written notice as described under subdivision (18)(A) of this section.
(ii) (a) A place owned or operated by a private entity that chooses not to post a written notice as described under subdivision (18)(A) of this section may provide written or verbal notification to a licensee who is carrying a concealed handgun at the place owned or operated by a private entity that carrying of a concealed handgun is prohibited.
(b) A licensee who receives written or verbal notification under subdivision (19)(A)(ii)(a) of this section is deemed to have violated this subdivision (19) if the licensee while carrying a concealed handgun either remains at or returns to the place owned or operated by the private entity.
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We have a high percentage of carry where I live. Main office made the manager of a super market put up a no guns sign. He put it on one door and not the other. Carriers used the unsigned door. Sign is now gone. A couple of restaurants learned the hard way when people refused to enter. It does not pay well when you throw a way half your business.
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In one advanced class I had, a top level national instructor talked about needing to handle your gun in a hotel room, and follow Rules #2 and #4. He suggested that the safest backstop in a standard hotel room is the air conditioner/heater unit, usually located under the window.
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Something smells fishy!
Iām not suspicious enough to research this policy but I suspect click bait by a you tube wanna be!
Luckily in Texas we have a state law that prohibits hotels from banning guns. All state gun laws apply within the hotel, obviously, but they cannot stop you from taking your gun to your room & storing it there
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