He held on to what matters LOL.
What the hell is going on with the American beer?
First the Bud with horrible advertisement… Now Miller with customer without spare mag…
This doesn’t look good…
Okay, that was funny!
I personally would have dropped or at least quickly placed the beer down to allow for a solid two handed grip. Especially since it was cheap light beer!
Another example of how a spare mag can come in handy. Even if you have enough ammo to deal with the threat in front of you it is nice to be able to top off after the action subsides in case the criminal has some friends waiting outside.
yeah… the whole situation was funny… or maybe not… it depends.
I’m not against carrying the gun being untrained… but I’ve been seeing so many incidents like this one and the first thing that pops up is that “heroes / armed citizens” are shooting cowboy style, not knowing that this jeopardize the accuracy. (then misses, then additional damages, maybe harmed bystander, etc).
Perhaps I’m very finicky… but single mistake can ruin somebody’s life. (both sides - victim and attacker, and self defense is not about ruining lives).
What are you doing in such situation, holding anything (pack of beer in this case)? You drop it, get two hand grip, then shoot.
Then… after he fired 7 shots, he run to his car for spare mag… I’m wondering if he still kept the beer in his hand.
And did he keep the pistol in his hand as well?
So then what if an LEO or another armed citizen outside hears the gun shots in the store and sees a man holding a pistol and perhaps carrying a six pack running out immediately afterward? How would the LEO or armed citizen respond to that sight??
The quick to want to enforce justice CCW crowd could get into a lot of trouble in this instance.
Continuing with the what ifs. What if one of us walked in this store and saw the man holding a 6 pack pointing a pistol towards the store clerk and the man next him and start firing? In that split second can we identify that the six pack guy is not aiming at the store clerk and that the other guy is threatening the clerk with a box cutter?
Moral of the story is put the beer down and maybe also use a stance that looks like you have had some self defense training so you are less likely to be mistaken for an armed robber.
I had an instructor once tell me that if you are forced to pull a weapon to defend yourself it is a good idea to shout something along the lines of “Stop! Please! Put the weapon down!” His thinking was that not only are you identifying yourself as a good guy but the “”Please!” might get mistaken for “police” by bystanders further solidifying your ID as a good guy.
Though that class was over a decade ago and a lot less people seem to assume the police are good guys these days. So maybe just “Stop! Put the weapon down!” is a better idea? In this case maybe yelling that gets box cutter guy to drop his weapon and beer guy saves himself the cost of ammo and potential lawyer fees while the store clerk doesn’t get stuck cleaning up all the blood?
I’m not saying beer guy shouldn’t have used deadly force. The store clerk was in a clearly imminent deadly situation. Just saying there might have been other tactics for dealing with the situation that could have better minimized the risk to the store clerk, the beer guy and other innocent bystanders.
Actually, this incident brought a lot of questions and good answers. There were few mistakes and “ifs” that may help us to be better prepared in the future.
Think this story is both very entertaining and educational:)
It definitely got me thinking about how hard it might be to identify who the real threats are in a situation I may not have seen the start of. And also about what I might need to do to keep myself from being mistaken for the threat.
I don’t typically carry spare mags, either, but my pistols hold more rounds than that, too. With a small pistol, like the one the customer used, carrying a spare mag would be much easier, as it is quite small and light.
The article said released from the hospital but didn’t mention his police custody status.
The video said he was arraigned in court after being released from the hospital. Hopefully that process kept him behind bars but the report didn’t say one way or the other. Given this event and past actions there is no logical reason to release him until he faces trial. But logic doesn’t seem to enter into the decision process all that often these days.
All but the “final shot several seconds later”. That may cause him a little bit of grief.
Correct. I will edit the post.
Maybe Miller Lite could put this guy on the can pistol out and six pack under the arm.
And state, real men drink Miller Lite.
I think I would like FAFO printed on it.
I’m wondering if this guy just stopped by for a beer during his shooting training…
That might be reason for his accurate 7 shoots…
Good outcome but lots of things to learn from.
This is one of those cases I hope the Hero has insurance because he had a delay in shooting. A DA might say those last couple of shots was not necessary and the thief might be able to get a civil suit against him.