Federal law establishes a uniform Election Day across the Nation for Federal elections, 2 U.S.C. 7 and 3 U.S.C. 1. It is the policy of my Administration to enforce those statutes and require that votes be cast and received by the election date established in law. As the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit recently held in Republican National Committee v. Wetzel (2024), those statutes set “the day by which ballots must be both cast by voters and received by state officials.” Yet numerous States fail to comply with those laws by counting ballots received after Election Day. This is like allowing persons who arrive 3 days after Election Day, perhaps after a winner has been declared, to vote in person at a former voting precinct, which would be absurd.
Everything else in the Executive Order is blah, blah, blah but the above will impact those serving overseas since their ballots rarely arrive by election day. Furthermore it opens up the Postal Service to be slow to move the mail from certain communities. Used to be I could mail a letter and expect it delivered within 3 days, now it’s 7. If the post mark on the mail is prior to the election day the ballot was in the Federal Governments hands, yet they are going to tell me they can’t count the ballot because they were to lazy to move it at a reasonable speed, come on, do better.
How is preventing ballots that were cast before the election day but arrive post election day blocking the left? And purging voter rolls would primarily hurt elderly voters.
Yeah because the Federal Postal Service sucks and has sucked since they have been constantly trying to dismantle it in the hopes that nobody uses it anymore. And there is no better solution than mail for overseas ballots, do you want vote by website? Talk about opening up an election for fraud.
Was talking about the other part of the order that requires citizenship.
As for the USPS, just look at AZ and NM. USPS has nothing to do with it.
You can do anything on line nowadays. No way they cant come up with early voting, and figure out a way to get them tallied by the deadline. Safely. They just dont want to.
Whole system needs a reboot, no one wants to do anything about it
Yeah no issues with citizenship requirements it’s specifically the ballot receive by date. In the last election I received my ballot in early October in Oregon. Literally the day I was leaving for a 7 day trip to AZ to visit family so I took it with me as an experiment to see what would happen if I sent an Oregon ballot from AZ and how long it would take for it to be counted. I filled out the ballot and mailed it the next day I was in AZ and I was back in Oregon for 3 days before my ballot was counted. It took 9 days for my ballot to travel from AZ to Oregon, that is absurd. Christmas cards rarely arrive by Christmas anymore.
Where? I am really interested in this, I live in Oregon which is vote by mail and if a ballot arrived to the State after a federal postmark date it’s tossed. So I am totally down to see which states practice this behavior.
Here is the thing, I have never seen anytime a ballot that had a postmark past the election date be counted. I have googled it, I have watched the videos and every time the complaint is it being counted after the election date, which is going to happen. They can only count so many ballots officially with the equipment on hand that can move the ballots through. This edict will do more harm than good, if the ballot machines turn off at midnight on election night then every ballot after that will be thrown out.
Utah has Vote By Mail. I mailed a ballot a couple of years ago. I can see the county complex where the ballots are received, stored and counted from my window. It took 9 days to go across the street and down a block. Last year was better, I got conformation they had received it in 3 days. Make me wonder where my earlier ballot was hanging out for a week.
I understand the premise of this, however, there are some gaps by an all or nothing approach that are not being considered - and I do not read the attachment, just the paragraph identified.
So what this is saying is the absentee ballots received after election day are not counted. Ok - first ignoring the idea that people have stated that there should be no absentee ballots at all, you have to vote in person - I will provide an example that I have personal knowledge of - this past November, my son, a PA resident, was attending OSUT in GA, so he needed an absentee ballot. Apparently, the way the Army works nowadays is that mail sent to soldiers in training is not delivered directly to the unit, someone from the unit has to go to a location to pick up the mail, and this is at a higher level than the Troop (he’s a Cav Scout, they have Troops and Squadrons, not Companies and Battalions), and then has to be filtered down from there. So naturally, this slows the process down from when the State mails the absentee ballots out. Then, after he had completed his absentee ballot he puts it into a non-post office drop box and the DS has to take it to somewhere (he didn’t know where) to be mailed to the State.
Now, in PA when an absentee ballot is requested, it is tied to an e-mail address so that you know when it was sent, and when it was received back by State. Because of this, I know that his absentee ballot was not received by PA until after election day. Therefore under this EO - his vote would not count.
So for those who agree with this EO, you also agree with how many service members’ votes not counting?
This is an easy one - Republicans have been trying to limit mail in voting for a long time. Statistically, mail in voting is used more by democratic voters, so anything to limit or void mail in votes will help republicans. It’s that simple. The only purpose of these limitations is to throw out votes that are mostly democratic votes.
In PA, there was a big fight to throw out mail in votes where the voter did not write in the date next to their signature, even though the ballot was received by election day. The signature date served no actual purpose other than a justification to throw out the vote.
Create a problem that doesn’t exist (voter fraud) so that you can create “solutions” to that fake problem that have a disperate impact on voter demographics that tend to vote democratic. Closing selected polling stations, closing busy polling stations early, not allowing voters to correct an error on their mail in ballot, requiring ID to vote.
In 2020, both my wife and I requested an absentee ballot as we were planning on a trip around election day - something we have never done in the past and since. We got confirmation in mid-August of our request. Come election time, we never received our ballots. We then went to vote early - prior to our trip. While on a very long line, we saw almost everyone receiving a yellow card. When I approached to get checked-in, the person took my ID, verified me in the system, then asked if I submitted my absentee ballot. I stated I never received it. I then got a yellow card and a ballot.
I find it highly questionable that in a Republican district that just about no one received their absentee ballot. But let’s just play the game. No. There needs to be something done to stop the fraud. This is just one part of that process.
I see your point, however, in the example I provided, I truly doubt that there is any fraud involved in what my son experienced, its simply the Army’s process. My point was to exclude otherwise completely valid and proper absentee ballots because they are not RECEIVED by election day when there are outside factors that are completely beyond someone’s control - especially for service members who are stationed outside of their State of residence, is not, in my opinion a valid exclusion.
When you have so many hands on the ballots before they get to be counted, there is opportunity (And proof) of fraud in our postal system. The largest example of postal fraud that has been documented to date is the tractor trailer load of ballots that were moved from New York to Pennsylvania.
I would be OK with requiring in-person voting if we changed a few things - vote Saturday and Sunday, have a hardship exception for handicapped, eldery, people abroad. You would need to have a reason to vote my mail.