Police confirm fatalities, at least 9 taken to hospital in shooting at Dallas-area outlet mall

Dang.
Seven People Fatally Struck by Vehicle Outside Texas Homeless Shelter Housing Migrants - WSJ

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About 50/50 I would say. :thinking:

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From Rolling Stone of all places? So, take it for what it’s worth.

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Texas Mass Shooter Was Motivated by White Supremacist Beliefs: Feds

Story by Jana Winter • 30m ago

The man who shot multiple people at an Allen, Texas mall on Saturday, killing at least eight, served with the U.S. Army in 2008 and “was removed due to mental health concerns,” according to an FBI bulletin reviewed by Rolling Stone.

The FBI’s “review and triage of the subject’s social media accounts revealed hundreds of postings and images to include writings with racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist rhetoric, including neo-Nazi materials and material espousing the supremacy of the white race.”

Investigators believe the shooter was a neo-Nazi and incel, according to local and federal law enforcement emails.

On Saturday, the man, identified as 33-year-old Dallas resident Mauricio Garcia in law enforcement documents, allegedly opened fire at a Allen Premium Outlets. The suspected shooter was killed by police at the scene, where several of the victims were found deceased. Nine additional victims were later transported to the hospital. Another two victims later died at the hospital.

Garcia has no criminal history but is believed to have been associated with a local Neo-Nazi group. He previously reported a lost firearm to authorities, which police believe allowed him to then modify that same firearm in an attempt to make it harder to trace, according to the law enforcement documents reviewed by Rolling Stone.

Garcia was armed with an AR-15-style rifle and a handgun, according to law enforcement emails. He was also wearing a tactical vest with an “RWDS” patch — a reference to “right wing death squad,” which is a term used by white supremacists. He had 10 rifle magazines and six pistol magazines on his body. More handguns and rifles were found in his car, according to law enforcement emails.

The investigation into the shooter’s motives is ongoing, but law enforcement emails circulated throughout North Texas and the federal government early Sunday morning say the shooter may have also been an incel who targeted the Allen Premium Outlets because he believed women would be present. It’s unclear if the shooter targeted anyone he knew at the mall.

The suspect is a U.S. citizen who has never applied for a passport, the law enforcement documents also noted.

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Vehicle fatalities
There seems to be a very wide gap in the numbers available. I’m going to share a link to Wikipedia, which says the U.S. has just north of 3,000 car related fatalities per year, for the past several years.
Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

But according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), there were 42,000 in 2021.
How Many People Die From Car Accidents Each Year? – Forbes Advisor
That’s not within any reasonable margin of error, so choose who you want to believe, the amateur edited Wikipedia or the government agency that perhaps has a financial reason to inflate the numbers.

Firearm fatalities
Also according to Wikipedia, there were about 45,000 deaths by firearm in 2020, but more than half of those were suicide.
Firearm death rates in the United States by state - Wikipedia

That seems out of line with what the FBI says, by a factor of about 200% when it comes to murders (not suicides).
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

So there’s a lot of room to massage your sources and numbers to get whatever result you want to see. (Statistics never lie, but liars use statistics.)

Since the original question was about mall shootings, let’s take the FBI’s numbers of deaths in active shooter incidents. For 2021, that number is 103 deaths (and another 140 wounded).
FBI Designates 61 Active Shooter Incidents in 2021 — FBI

Conclusion
Even by the lowest vehicle accident number, 103 ÷ 3,000 = 3.4% @Nathan57 seems to be spot on with his guesstimate of mall shootings vs car accidents.

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Funny how when they finally find a mass murderer with potential links to white supremacy, NOW all of a sudden they want the manifesto! :unamused:

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That was a joke dude. Guess I should have put a :rofl:. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Did the shooter eat at Mission BBQ also? :thinking:

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Sooo… apparently we have a Right Wing, Hispanic, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi??? :thinking:

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I watch this guy quite a bit, simply because he tells the truth.

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But….what were his preferred pronouns?:thinking:

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Ummm… Right wing! :thinking:

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Yup. I think the “accruing” is about to spill over, and :boom:.
This is exactly what Ayn Rand predicted in Atlas Shrugged. :slightly_frowning_face:

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OK I’ll admit it, When I didn’t hear the obligatory “Assault Rifle Did It” line I started wondering. Was it not the evil assault rifle or was it a box checker.

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Yes, and his parents dont speak English. Whats happening in this country - guy barely crossed Southern border - turned White supremacist and right wing extremist?! I thought Neonazis had face control, too.

This pathetic piece actually reminds me of a Dave Chapelle’s number, where he is a klansman and publishes racist books. I dont dare to post the link here, because of the language Chapelle uses :slight_smile:

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Yup. You could post the link with disclaimer. :laughing:

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I wont, just lookup Chapelle Clayton Bixby on youtube

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Please take down this post that hurt the feelings of all the OUTHER members Bobby Jean :owl::feather::feather::broken_heart::chile::latin_cross:🫶🏼:100::bangbang:

No worries, the original question just got me wondering what the actual numbers might be.

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And since this one did not involve a gun, follow up news is pretty much silence.
The mall shooting is plastered everywhere, but the SUV attack not even mentioned this morning. Gotta luv the selective news cycle…

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Yeah, I noticed that as well. They want one crime to be worse, even though the number of people killed in each was about the same.

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