National Constitutional Carry Reciprocity issues

Being the fountain of information that I have been sharing; here is another angel for those who are against a short time line to get a REAL ID to travel with by, or soon after May 7, 2025; and your DMV is jammed up, and cannot accommodate you.

There are other lesser known alternatives.

It’s still a process, and fees greater than DMV likely apply.

Both official websites for the DHS Department of Homeland Security, and TSA the Transportation Security Administration have lists of alternatives like
Clear, Clear Plus, TSA Pre :white_check_mark:, and Global Entry that offer their Identification, and expedited security screening lanes at airports, and ports of entry.

Government-issued Identification

Along with your passport, it’s also a good idea to bring another form of proper identification.

You’ll need to show this to officials like the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) if you’re traveling by air.

Acceptable identification documents include:

  • Valid driver’s license
  • Passport card
  • DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
  • US Department of Defense ID
  • ID card for permanent residents
  • Border crossing card
  • Photo ID issued by a federally recognized Tribal Nation/Indian Tribe
  • Foreign government-issued passport
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I bought a gun from a local sporting goods store a few years ago and he told me that if I didn’t have a CCW that I would be able to pick up the gun after a background check that took either 2 or 3 days. I’m not sure if I would have had to pay for that background check or not, but having a CCW I took it home that day.

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There are unique situations.

There are always hiccups with any changes, starting with people’s natural resistance to any changes.

There’s always an adjustment, and learning curve for everyone to adapt to.

Any new implementation takes some time.

Having any CCW is likely a quantum leap ahead of those without that.

Having any REAL ID before any deadline need for it is another plus.

It affords opportunities, and options that you might otherwise be denied, not just for travel.

It hurts nothing to have, if you don’t need it right away all the better, you can take your time building up to getting it when you are ready.

Then have it in your wallet when the time comes that it is useful to have.

In TN since the same agency that issues driver licenses, also issues its CCW = HCP Handgun Carry Permit, the TN Department of Safety and Homeland Security.

So, either is acceptable to vote.

And, having that HCP helps getting a DL or ID being in a shared system, and agency, or visa-versa.

I found having been in the military DBIDS system Defense Biometric Identification System , and having to have background checks, and security clearances, that I flew through some subsequent ones for other civilian requirements, a breeze as I have no criminal history, and I am a known good guy.

So, getting an Enhanced / REAL ID driver license, and passport for travel documents were easy, and did not take the fully anticipated turnaround times from application to issue; it was closer to the expedited time frames without the extra expense.

Getting into that “system” has not been a bad experience. It helps facilitate subsequent needs.

You having a CCW is one of what I call ice breakers, a key to subsequent successes.

So, keep, and safeguard it even after it’s expired it may have useful reference value.

Like an expired passport, even if not acceptable to travel on is still proof of citizenship for all purposes, and good to use for getting a replacement passport with the department of state. Never just trash it.

Plus if you used your passport it’s a travel log keepsake.

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OK, last call on beating this dead horse trying to make it get up and ride it out of town.

I keep finding new tidbits of information, but after this I don’t know what else especially of value there might be.

So I am closing this subject for now with this:

The TSA and Administration say that after two decades of postponing this after it was legislated it’s going to be implemented finally.

TSA Just Confirmed REAL ID Deadline Is Final: What Travelers Need to Know by May 7

(Alternative REAL IDs are listed in this short article…incase you must fly sooner than later… if you already have any, or can obtain them sooner than a DMV item this might be your ticket.)
Afew days ago, I wrote this article: REAL ID Deadline Looms: Here’s What You Need to Know, which followed an article from January titled What You Need to Know About Getting a REAL ID and Why You Might Not Need to Worry Yet. In that post, I mentioned I wasn’t concerned about the REAL ID deadline for two reasons: One, I always travel with my passport, and two, I was convinced the government would once again delay the deadline—as they’ve done for over a decade.

Starting May 7, TSA requires a REAL ID-compliant ID or passport at security checkpoints for all passengers aged 18+ at U.S. airports.

Well, it looks like I was wrong on that second point—so if you’re counting on the government to push the deadline again … don’t. Yesterday, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) confirmed they willbegin enforcing the requirement on May 7.

“Secretary Noem and the Trump administration are enforcing the 2005 REAL ID Act and regulations on May 7, as directed by Congress and the American people,” said Adam Stahl, TSA Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Administrator. “The Real ID requirement bolsters safety by making fraudulent IDs harder to forge, thwarting criminals and terrorists. TSA will implement REAL ID effectively and efficiently, continuing to ensure the safety and security of passengers while also working to minimize operational disruptions at airports.”

Related video: Bozeman airport officials remind travelers of May 7 deadline for REAL ID (KBZK Bozeman, MT)

Bozeman airport officials remind travelers of May 7 deadline for REAL ID

Beginning May 7, the TSA will stop accepting state-issued IDs that aren’t REAL ID compliant at airport security checkpoints. All airline passengers 18 and older—including those with TSA PreCheck—must show either a REAL ID-compliant license or another approved form of identification, such as a passport. Non-citizens voluntarily self-deporting on international flights will still be allowed to board, even without a REAL ID.

“Passengers showing up with a non-compliant ID and no alternative (like a passport) should be prepared for delays, additional screening, and possibly being denied entry to the security checkpoint.”

Acceptable forms of ID besides a state-issued Enhanced Driver’s License include: a U.S. passport, U.S. passport card, DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST), U.S. Department of Defense ID (including dependent IDs), permanent resident card, border crossing card, and acceptable photo IDs from a federally recognized Tribal Nation or Indian Tribe, including Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs). Other valid options include an HSPD-12 PIV card, foreign government-issued passport, Canadian provincial driver’s license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card, Transportation Worker Identification Credential, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766), U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential, and a Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC).

According to the TSA, 81% of U.S. travelers currently present an acceptable ID at checkpoints, including REAL IDs. Since I don’t have a REAL ID, I just uploaded my passport to CLEAR and recommend you do the same—if you’re a CLEAR member.

To get a REAL ID, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recommends visiting your state’s driver’s licensing agency website to check what documents are required. At a minimum, you’ll need to provide documentation showing:

1. Full Legal Name
2. Date of Birth
3. Social Security Number
4. Two Proofs of Address of Principal Residence
5. Lawful Status

More details are available at TSA.gov/real-id.

I think there should be training but I don’t think it should be required. The best way to train is with a gun. If a person wants to be responsibly armed they will. If they don’t a law won’t stop them.

Five years ago I routinely used my tribal photo ID (not enhanced) at TSA desks, although sometimes the uniformed travel safety clerk had to call a supervisor to tell him it was OK. However, since COVID days they have absolutely refused to accept the tribal ID because it will not scan on the little device on the desk.
I suspect if i had made enough of a fuss someone would have confirmed visual inspection and a rulebook check, but it is no longer worth the wait and hassle.

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Sorry, it is what it is. And, it sometimes is obtuse.

I hate to run into those stuck on stupid loops.

I don’t suppose showing them it’s posted on their website would help, but it should.

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I am trying to put the successful passage of a National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act bill into practical practice compared to what is currently required:

Having a CCW (by whatever your home state calls that) honored by non-resident state(s) that you visit which, not all honor yours currently.

If you endured obtaining a CCW, did their checklist, endured a fingerprint criminal background check, and passed that;

Then you have the determination to do what is essentially a paper chase to get a REAL ID for federal purposes like passing a TSA security checkpoint, and quite possibly buying a gun.

The reason that I think that will be the new standard in place of showing a CCW, at a point of sale, at a firearms dealer store is that I think that will be adopted as the standard for the sales clerk to run a quick NCIC check to be sure that you are not a prohibited person, like a fugitive barred from purchasing a firearm, in place of showing a CCW.

If you can get a CCW, you can get a REAL ID, to buy a firearm.

It’s not a firearm registration, in fact less so than a CCW.

Just like showing your DL to prove you are legal to buy cigarettes, or alcohol, only for firearms in this case.

The REAL ID :identification_card: DL is harder to forge as it has more tamper evident features, and requires more stringent standards to obtain than a standard DL/ID.

We are not there yet, one of these bills has to pass the legislative process, and get signed into law.

In the meantime we have a patchwork quilt of nearly two-thirds of the individual states that passed their own Constitutional Carry Permitless laws pending the remaining states doing the same.

And, we know that there will be those stick in the mud blue states like California that won’t do that.

So, we need the passage of a National bill that won’t give them the option to opt out.

Once that happens, state issued CCWs won’t be required, although good until they expire, won’t be needed for an interstate traveler to prove reciprocity, or to buy a firearm.

Although, I expect they will still be acceptable until phased out, or expired.

So, what will be required?

I think that it will be a universally, readily available, and acceptable form of ID like a state DMV issued DL, or ID.

I strongly suspect they will want that to be the REAL ID vs. standard version.

For all those who don’t now have such an item, think about getting one.

Stage 1- get at least your DMV’s checklist, and take inventory of what you have vs. need to get.

Then set about contacting any agency for a needed birth certificate to show DoB, and lawful presence in the US. or marriage certificates, etc. to show name changes, with acceptable seals, either raised, or multi color micro printed tamper evident seals not previously required, so you may not have that.

The bigger municipalities like NYC don’t do raised seals as that is too labor intensive for the high volume that they deal with, thus they go with the printed seal as described above.

Each entity has their own process, requirements, and turn around times, some not as swift as others ether because of the high volume of requests, or podunk lacks the staff to handle their requests.

So, when you discover a needed item, request it, and wait for it, check it off your list, and repeat as needed.

Maybe by the time a National Constitutional Carry Act becomes fact you might have all your ducks in a row :duck: :duck: :duck:.

And, beat a backlog rush like flyers are dealing with now who have yet to get theirs previously.

Boy Scout Preparedness 101, or military NCO Academies, don’t wait to be told, have some foresight, take some initiative, beat the rush.

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Where in the world did you get the idea that REAL ID is or will be needed to buy a gun?
When buying a firearm from a FFL, you have to show government 0 issued photo ID and complete the Form 4473.

Even now, where your state permit is accepted under reciprocity, all you need is the permit or license and a photo ID to cconifm same identity.

National reciprocity has absolutely nothing to do with firearms purchases.

Don’t go looking for trouble.

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Good question, I may be prone to overthinking somethings.

Maybe in a dream I blended the two current news events.

Not looking for trouble. No harm intended.

Carry on as you were.

Maybe this will shake out differently.

At least I hope that one of these bills passes into law.

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Daily temperature take on Constitutional Carry bills:

National is still hanging in Congress waiting for a full floor vote, having cleared committee.

Hopefully :crossed_fingers: sooner than later.

In the meantime 29 individual states passed their own Constitutional Permitless Carry laws that they enacted.

There are two other states struggling to do the same past anti-2A resistance in their legislative bodies.

We are on the cusp of =/> 3/5ths (60%) of the states being Permitless Carry states.

A nation bill passage would jump that to 100%.

May this be the year, amen :folded_hands: .

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You are right on target :bullseye: as stated a standard DL / ID is still good for purchases of ATF: Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, no REAL ID required there yet.

Time’s Almost Up: A Real ID Will Be Required for Air Travel Next Month

Quoting a later or last paragraph in this article:

“Not having a Real ID-compliant license won’t affect other uses of a driver’s license, including verifying an individual’s ability to operate a vehicle or purchase alcohol, firearms or tobacco.”

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