I reside in Illinois and have a CCW permit. I would like to EDC my Sig 365 Legion, however, it comes with a 17rd magazine which is illegal to carry (it’s considered a “high capacity” magazine now after the recent ban).
** So my question is this:
If I were to purchase a magblock that limits the magazine capacity to 15rds and epoxy it in (thus making it permanent and not “readily removable”) would I be legal to EDC? **
P.S. - I am aware you can buy 10rd conversion for the 365, as well as buying the old 15rd mag for the XMacro, but I would like to not spend $80 on a magazine when a $8 part can resolve the issue.
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, but you KNOW a 10 rnd mag IS legal. Agree also that if your life depends on it, a “cheaper” fix might not be in your best interest.
They don’t have them. Only Xmacro mags are compatible and they don’t make them anymore since they switched to making 17rd capacity. Appreciate the info though.
Magblock or any limiter is legal in IL. I don’t think you need to use epoxy to make it “permanent”. You still need the option to disassemble the mag to clean it.
I personally use a plastic limiter, located under the follower to change mag capacity from 16rds to 15rds.
If you will be involved in self defense incident, nobody will check how the mag is limited, they will check how many rounds can be loaded into your magazine at the moment of the incident.
If you are not convinced about it… just spend $160 for 2 magazines you will be carrying on you.
I’m not sure I would 100% trust an anti gun/anti self defense prosecutor to not disassemble the magazine and “accidentally” loose the plastic piece before checking the capacity. Especially if the magazine has a greater than 15 round capacity indicated on it somewhere that might cause them to try to figure out why they can’t get more than 15 in there.
Maybe save the receipts for the limiter and some photos or a video of the installation as proof that you have converted to a lower capacity? It wouldn’t be definitive proof that you didn’t hit pull it out again but should at least call the prosecutor’s integrity into question for the jury if they tried to pull that BS.
This the same kind of discussion like using aftermarket trigger or making logos on the slide.
We know that everything might be used again us, so as I mentioned… if somebody is not feeling comfortable with the limiter, should not use it and should buy a 15rds mag.
I am also in Illinois (NOT in the beautiful state of Chicago). And I carry a stock firearm and magazine which could also be considered in violation. However, I am one of the many conservative leaning counties in the state, where the Sheriff has gone on record in support of 2A rights and against the progressive extremism. So I carry without any real fear. Yes, I could possible get into trouble in other locations. But the chances of me being in those locations AND having a LEO encounter are extremely small. While I am not suggesting you violate any laws (especially if you are very uncomfortable with doing so), I would suggest you consider the general 2A climate of the officials in your location when making your decision. And as others have said, I would resist modifying a factory mag, Possibly making it prone to a failure. Possibly even use the factory mag with the legal number of rounds. That way you would at least have an argument for ‘intent’ if anything actually ever happened.
Except that aftermarket add-ons and logos are not illegal. A prosecutor may try to use those devices or modifications as “proof” to sway the jury into considering that your other alleged illegal actions were intended or negligent. But the presence of those things on their own is not illegal.
“High capacity” magazines on the other hand are illegal to posses in some states. Their possession in those states is clear evidence of a crime (under the current laws of those States). I personally would be a little uncomfortable carrying a magazine with a capacity listed above the legal limit without some solid proof that I had legally modified it to comply with State laws.
Depending on the State the limiter may be legal. Think I remember some states that might have language against easily convertible modifications to magazine capacity? But even if it is legal, if that little piece of plastic disappears somewhere along the chain of custody then you are left with an unlimited magazine as exhibit 1.
One of the court cases I sat on as a juror the LEOs had clearly mishandled the evidence and altered how the firearm could function by adding parts. It was easy to show they had added parts and the case was thrown out by the judge. Might have been harder to prove they removed a part if there was no evidence the part existed in the first place.
You do what you are comfortable with. I’m just saying that I would want to have some evidence that I had made the magazine compliant if it didn’t start life as a compliant magazine.
Prosecuters and the courts hold some power. My life in their hands, I not sure I wanna mess with that. Peace of mind worth the extra costs of purchasing from the store as brand new but up to specs - respecting the maximum capacity. JIMO.
Sig’s site had 10-12 rounders, $50-$60, and as a USCCA member, there is that one page of companies who sometimes offers discounts to members. Staying with Sig brand was to me - Interesting/like-able in that it’s their brand, as personally I’m “scaredy cat” if not the same brand as the firearm itself.
I noticed Sig allows pay over four payments, no interest fee.
I noticed one of the laws, attached below itself - does not contain enough details, but I noticed they like to use the word “permanently” (linked below).
In regards to your personal modification, just curious, is the fix you made permanent, or can it be fixed to go over 15 rounds if one wanted to undo the mod?
Others are more up to speed on any being grandfathered in, but requiring registration. I had a different accessory, not a mag, but something else that became illegal, however I found out that I can be legal since I had it before the law changed, as long as I registered it, and registered by the deadline. My dumb _ _ _ found out the last week before the deadline but managed to register it, so now I’m legal.
Just keep in mind that there are other law enforcement agencies in your area besides the local sheriff’s office.
And if you are charged with a crime, it isn’t the sheriff that brings those charges. Do you know who all of your local prosecutors are and what they may or may not do? What about the Illinois State Police? Have any local city departments around you whose jurisdiction you cross?
