Let me post the charges again for everyone to read:
Over several months I have used the stimulus check I got to donate to different places. Since Gun Owners of America appears to be helping out Kyle, I decided to become a member of GOA. I am already a NRA member and a member of the state gun owners, but figured it wouldn’t hurt to join another group that seems to be doing a lot of work for the gun community.
I am going to need another stimulus check soon so I can keep finding groups to donate to.
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Yes. Self defense is still self defense, regardless of the weapon used. He might have a legal issue for using said weapon, but he would still have a claim of self defense.
You put far too much on the curfew and only seem to point to Rittenhouse. If there was a curfew, why were the hundreds of other people there and why were the police not rounding them up or dispersing them to their homes.
Two sources, one is a video that shows an object on fire, in flames… being thrown at him and it just missed him… and the eye witness who was there… plus another witness stated it was either a molotov cocktail or a brick, as he saw something on fire, but someone told him that there was a bag with a brick in it. If it was a bag with a brick in it, the bag was on fire.
A molotov cocktail is a deadly weapon, a brick is a deadly weapon. You choose which it was.
As for where it would leave him? There was still the gun shot… there was still the fact a group were chasing him, which being outnumbered can very easily be expressed as a fear for your life.
So, what is your evidence it is a ‘plastic bag’… and why are you supportive of criminals and seeking to condemn Rittenhouse?
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What evidence do you have it was not dangerous.
I have witness statements.
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We are talking about Rittenhouse because the title of the thread is kinosha shooting, not kinosha rioters. The whole self defense argument would not be in question if he had not broken the law in the first place. The end. He broke the law going and being there, then had to defend himself while acting illegally. That is the story. Everyone is so hung up on whether it was self defense or not… but if he would have obeyed the law, there would be no self defense.
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Let’s go rob a bank and get in a self defense shooting with the people that try to kill us 
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Yes. Self defense is still self defense, regardless of the weapon used. He might have a legal issue for using said weapon, but he would still have a claim of self defense.
Already knew that answer. But I waited. I want to quote from a criminal defense attorney “Nevertheless, the use of an unlawfully carried weapon in self-defense -indeed, the mere unlawful possession of the weapon can have profoundly negative effects on your self-defense claim under certain circumstances.”
Right. So according to the law all parties were equally disobeying the curfew under the law. They were all not supposed to be there. Not hard to say that.
Look at the thread I just posted video evidence of the item thrown at Kyle. Where is your evidence? I want refences and/or videos. Not hearsay.
I joined USCCA because I wanted to know how to LEGALLY DEFEND myself. A big part of why I joined is because of the training. I didn’t join how to figure out how to KILL someone and get away with it. I want to LEGALLY use self defense. I DON"T CONDONE or AGREE with the Rioters.PERIOD!!! I can stop right there and say KILL THEM ALL. EVERY LAST ONE REGARDLESS. But I won’t because I BELIEVE IN LAWS and NEED to understand how they are applied for ME. When I don’ t see the conditions for SELF DEFENSE from what I have read I have a problem. But this isn’t about them. Just because you think the BAD GUY deserved it doesn’t mean its instantly Justified.
I am not saying he did not disobey a curfew, I do not know. I am saying you are focusing on the one individual and somehow trying to hold him far more accountable than the others. Again, if there was a curfew, where were the police.
Sorry you missed Tucker Carlson, two different nights, and missed the information available on the Blaze, and other sources. The one eye witness was SEEN in the video, right behind the person shot in the head, he was the journalist that was following and was first to try to help… and it was him that said he saw legs come up behind him, not knowing it was Rittenhouse until he saw the video, and he said Rittenhouse called 911…
It is not hearsay unless you count the eyewitness as hearsay.
Your video, still shows something on fire, and one says it appeared to be a molotov cocktail and one said it was a bag with a brick in it, and if the bag was set on fire, it would appear to be a molotov cocktail from a distance. But the closest one to it said it was on fire… and there was a GUN SHOT … before Rittenhouse turned and fired.
None of us did, and to suggest that is rather insulting.
What conditions? Rittenhouse was somewhere he was legally allowed to be… in Kenosha. Regardless of a curfew, that is still a fact, he was legally allowed to be in Kenosha. He was being chased. He was being attacked. Some object was thrown at him… (and a plastic bag does not throw, it flutters… ), there was a gun shot, at which point Rittenhouse turned and returned fire… the next two, he was kicked in the head by one individual, hit with a skate board, both can be deadly, and he shot the skate board attacker, and the third was armed, a felon who was not legally allowed to have a firearm and was threatening Rittenhouse.
Not sure what conditions you do not see.
Insulting and distorting, and attempting to put words into my mouth. Thank you, at this point, by making up a false accusation and making a distorted statement, you lose.
Good Bye.
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It actually does lookjust like that… Wow.
Wouldn’t where the rifle was brought from, whether he had it legally, his age or anything else be secondary, and maybe secondary to the issue of self defense? “Clean hands” certainly an issue, but from what I saw, he was where he was, he had what he had, he did what needed to be done to save his life. Consequences be damned. He’s alive, now the consequences play out. I’m glad he’s got a good lawyer. I hope any if us are that fortunate in time of need. Personally, no sympathy for the rioters.
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I haven’t seen anyone mention if Wisconsin is a stand your ground or a retreat if you can state.
If it’s stand your ground and he was on privately owned property by invite then that is one thing (independent of where he came from or what ‘weapon’ he had at his disposal)
If in Wisconsin you have an obligation to retreat and you knowingly place yourself into a hostile situation, or could possibly be said to have sought that conflict, then that very well may be another thing.
What is the prevailing legal precedent and legislative guidance?
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I would think so Michael. That’s partially why I was wondering why it keeps being highlighted everywhere that he crossed state lines. I wouldn’t think that would make any difference, but I’m not a lawyer.
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He absolutely was about to Kevin. Have you seen what the that guy who was about to shoot him had to say about it? Something along the lines of his big regret being that he hesitated (read saw Kyle look at him feigned surrender until Kyle wasn’t eyeing him to try to sneak up to him) and didn’t unload the mag into him.
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The state line argument is null and void now. Kyle worked in Kenosha as a lifeguard, which he did earlier that same day. Then spent time scrubbing graffiti off of the high school. And if that wasn’t enough he volunteered to provide first aid to rioters. After putting out at least one fire the angry mob turned on him.
Sure sounds like a homicidal maniac to me /sarcasm
Doesn’t matter if he’s only 17, this kid is going to walk free and probably have millions in his bank account after suing the media similar to Sandmans case.
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Full reference here–>Stand Your ground Refence
Stand Your Ground – The Law
Wisconsin does not have a stand your ground law. In states that do have stand your ground laws, the right to stand your ground generally applies outside of your home, vehicle, and business. In those states, an individual can generally use deadly force without a duty to retreat . This means that as long as the individual has a legal right to be in the location, the individual did not provoke the confrontation, and the aggressor did not affirmatively break off or leave the confrontation, then the individual is permitted to use deadly force against the aggressor.
Let’s talk about another example using stand your ground. You are at the grocery store and someone begins shooting at you with a firearm. In some states, you must retreat. In others, you can simply respond with deadly force. If you shoot back at the person in the grocery store using deadly force, and you’re in a stand your ground state, you need not find a retreat.
Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin – Provocation
While there is no specific statute addressing stand your ground, a few court cases have addressed whether individuals have a duty to retreat in Wisconsin. The general rule is that there is no affirmative duty to retreat, unless the individual provoked the confrontation. This general rule mirrors the self-defense statute. Let’s assume the individual provoked the attack. He is generally cannot claim self-defense. The only exception is when he believes he exhausted all other means of escape from the death or great bodily harm.
For example, in Wisconsin, you started a fight. Shooter pulls out a gun in response to your physical and verbal actions. Again, you started the fight. Because of that, you must have a duty to retreat because you provoked the confrontation.
Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin – No Provocation
When the individual did not provoke the confrontation, the feasibility of retreat from the assailant is handled as an aspect of the general self-defense statute – specifically, whether the individual reasonably believed the force used was necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. A jury will be instructed to consider whether the individual had the opportunity to retreat, whether the opportunity was feasible, and whether the individual knew of the opportunity to retreat.
Upon a satisfaction of the statutory requirements, courts should instruct juries that there is no duty to retreat. The jury will be instructed to not consider evidence relating to whether the individual had an opportunity to flee or retreat.
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While it looks like the thrown object is just a plastic bag, we have the benefit of looking at a picture of it in the relative safety of our home. Now imagine you’re being chased by some angry people who you think want to do you harm and someone throws something at you in less than ideal lighting. Was it something harmless? You have seconds to decide before someone is on top of you.
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Yet, there is a report that he had been in Kenosha, working that day, he stayed after work to help clean graffiti off of the high school.
He did not break a law going to Kenosha, He did not break a law being there… though there is a question on the curfew, but if that was being enforced, why not arrest all the others that were there.
Also, he was giving aid to those who were injured, when he was blocked from returning to the business he and others had been at, as police were moving in and blocked access, and he followed police directions… but that left him alone and he was attacked and chased.
So, let me ask… if you speed, and someone decides you are driving improperly, and they follow you to your destination and you end up in a self defense situation… do you lose the claim of self defense because you had violated the law by speeding?
You did not instigate any violence or conflict, but if you had obeyed the law, there would have been no self defense.
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And there is a gun shot behind you.
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I would think running away as fast as you can would count as retreating. Unfortunately, he was caught and forced to no longer retreat, but fight to save his life. So I would think even in a state that requires retreat, he fulfilled that qualification right?
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There is no law prohibiting the crossing of state lines, and many cross state lines to render aid to those who have suffered devastation after a hurricane or tornado. Some of them go armed as there might be higher crime rates.
Crossing state lines does not negate self defense.
And he was already in Kenosha per recent reports… he had worked at the pool that day and also cleaned graffiti off of the high school.
A civic minded young man.
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