John Lott Discredited?

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This article claims that John Lott (still in the process of reading it in its entirety) has been discredited and his claims are predicated on false data. What do you guys know about this?

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Consider the source thinkprogress.org is not going to agree with John Lott on anything and they don’t care how many stats they have to bend to do it.

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The title is enough for me to know that the report is slanted.

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Standard left wing tactic that is being used on a host of fronts today. Get a story published with a sensational headline, which gets repeated in the news, which then becomes a talking point, which is eventually taken as fact in spite of any contradictory evidence or evidence to support the original story at all. I think the most famous was “Romney hasn’t payed taxes in 10 years.” put forth by Harry Reid in an “October surprise”. When asked for proof (on camera) he said “I don’t have to prove it, he does.”

Cheers,

Craig6

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Look at your source the far leftwing anti gun Thinkprogress.

No, Lott has not been discredited by anyone remotely resembling “unbiased”.

When Lott’s results consistently mirror those of other neutral and pro 2nd Amendment/Pro Self Defense researchers like Gary Kleck one of the most respected criminology professors in the country you know he’s as straight up as they come.

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the only thing i need to know for sure is the thing i’ve heard that’s kept me pro-gun for as long as i have been: that guns are used far more for good than for bad. i’ve heard it from you, seen your stats, heard it from many other sites, my favorite Steven Crowder has talked about it. if that’s true, that’s proof and reason enough for me to be ok with being a gun owner and a staunch believer in one’s 2nd amendment rights.

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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”

this falls somewhere between “laugh” and “fight”. If you can’t dispute the facts, discredit the author. Strategy for wining when plain old facts won’t do it. :angry:

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Keep in mind that the NRA does the exact same thing

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I think we will see a lot of these types of articles before the next Congress begins. Trump has been signaling for the last few days he might sign “enhanced background check” and Red Flag laws. The left knows that a big fight is coming in the Fall and they want to take likely Pro-2nd Amend experts out early.

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Coming from thinkprogress.org was all I needed to see to “discredit” the source before even reading their article. Might as well have come from Every Town, Moms Demand Action, or the SPLC


You have to understand the Left’s tactics in play here and in everything they do. Briefly, the tactics can be summarized as:
Marginalization - discredit a person/group by merely stating that they have been discredited
Dehumanization - make them less than human by using such buzzwords as “racist” “___phobe”, etc.
Demonization - go from dehumanizing them to making them into demons to be feared and imprisoned
Litigation - charge them with “crimes against humanity” (since they are now no longer humans)
Incarceration - throw them in prison
Extermination - take them out and “disappear” them

One must not look very far to see where every leftist regime has employed these very steps to eradicate their opposition. The easy examples are Cambodia, China, Cuba, Russia, Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, and the hits just keep on comin’


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John Lott is well respect and his research is impeccable. Its the anti-gun side that has research dishonesty, when asked many times to produce the data that led to their conclusions, they will refuse to do so many times
 Most often their studies are not even peer reviewed either. I can recall when anti-gun writer Dr. Arthur Kellermann who released a report in the New England Journal of Medicine claiming that there was a 43 times more chance that a family member would be shot rather than a hostile intruder if there was a gun in the house. If you recall that became the mantra of the anti-gun left in the 1990’s. Kellermann was challenged to publicly release his research but initially declined. Somehow his research was leaked out and it was found fatally flawed by Dr. Edgar Suter whom I met in the 1990’s to discuss his rebuttal to Kellermann’s report . Suter found that in order to get the numbers that Kellermann needed, he concentrated his effort in high crime neighborhoods, particularly dysfunctional minority households. When Suter told me that, I replied that essentially Kellermann’s report could be considered racist because his research centered in high crime minority areas rather than lets say white suburban areas


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No they certainty do not. The NRA doesn’t have the connections to do so. They are the most hated organization in the country by the major news outlets with the exception of Fox and FNC certainly doesn’t run NRA material very often.

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All the way through election day and certainly beyond if the democrats get control.

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Absolutely, Greg, the big fight is coming and if Trump wins and the Congress becomes heavy with Conservatives I would imagine that Antifa will likely be resurrected in presenting itself as being even more hostile.

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Video of Antifa attacking people needs to be shown every time there is a push for gun control
 A violent mob being ignored by the police while a out numbered victim is chased and beaten. If there was ever a case to be made for the 2nd amendment and concealed carry it is a Antifa.

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Great post Paul36. Every time I read this, I think of the main stream media:

Blockquote The Rules[edit]

  1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”
  2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
  3. “Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
  4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
  5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
  6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
  7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
  8. “Keep the pressure on.”
  9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
  10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
  11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.”
  12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
  13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it

Blockquote

Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals. Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia

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I guess John Lott has had the last laugh.

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Well there you go.

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I guess screeching doesn’t pay like it used to.

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Let them bring it.
I would pay to see a face-off between the pro-2A community and the puffy jacket-wearing hoodlums of Antifa.