Is 45 ACP "a waste of space"?

I came across the following post and thought I’d share here and solicit some feedback / opinions from this group.

Thoughts?

Why .45 ACP is a literal waste of space:

At the risk of upsetting people who emotionally bonded with a caliber in the 1980s, here’s the uncomfortable reality:

.45 ACP accomplishes nothing in modern defensive handgun use that 9mm does not already do, while demanding more gun and delivering less capacity in return.

Handguns chambered in .45 are typically:

• Larger or heavier than comparable 9mm pistols

• Lower capacity, often significantly so

• Harder to shoot well for the average user

And for what?

No meaningful improvement in terminal performance.

Modern ballistic testing has made this painfully clear. When using contemporary duty ammunition, service pistol calibers (.38, .357, 9mm, .40, .45) all perform within a very narrow band of penetration and expansion when fired into calibrated ballistic gelatin.

Why pistol rounds all kind of suck:

This is the part people don’t like hearing.

Pistol rounds are fundamentally limited because:

• They operate at relatively low velocities

• They do not create hydrostatic shock in the way rifle rounds do

• They do not reliably cause immediate physiological incapacitation unless critical structures are hit

Unlike rifle or shotgun projectiles, handgun bullets do not destroy tissue through velocity-driven cavitation. They poke holes. Slightly different sized holes, sure, but still holes.

From an anatomical standpoint, rapid incapacitation with a handgun requires:

• Central nervous system disruption, or

• Catastrophic circulatory collapse

Both outcomes depend far more on shot placement than caliber. A .45 that misses vital structures does not magically compensate for poor hits. A 9mm that passes through the heart, or upper spinal cord ends the problem decisively.

There is no physics argument that turns an extra fraction of an inch in bullet diameter into a substitute for accuracy, speed, and repeatability.

Capacity, recoil, and reality

Since pistol rounds rely so heavily on placement, the logical response is obvious:

• More rounds

• Faster follow-up shots

• Less recoil penalty

• Smaller, lighter guns that are easier to carry and control

9mm delivers all of that. .45 delivers none of it.

You are trading away capacity and shootability for a theoretical advantage that does not exist in real-world data.

The idea that .45 “hits harder” persists because it feels intuitive, not because it survives scrutiny. Energy transfer differences are marginal, and frankly meaningless. Penetration standards are met by both. Expansion is reliable in both. Incapacitation remains placement-dependent in both.

Worshiping the .45 in 2026 says more about your (lack of) understanding of terminal ballistics, than it does the performance of the round.

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Yada-yada-yada, yada, yaaadaaaa.

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Any gun can be used to save an innocent life. It’s all personal preference.

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The author lost me with this paragraph.

If a 9mm strikes a bad guy in the shoulder it doesn’t magically stop his heart or sever his spine.

A .45 that hits the bad guy in the 3rd eye (middle of the forehead) ends him pretty decisively!

Shot placement is crucial with all pistol calibers!

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Blasphemy

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F=m x a

Force = Mass x acceleration

45 acp - 230 x 800 fps = force 184,000

9mm - 125 x 900 fps = force 112,000

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Buffalo Bore 147 grain 9mm Outdoorsman. 395’/lbs energy

Buffalo Bore 255 grain .45acp Outdoorsman. 484’/lbs energy

Everyone has an opinion, not sure why some feel theirs is worthy of a pulpit.

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From .22 to .50 I really can’t think of a chambering I want to be shot by

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To use worship in a sentence, the author must be a 9mm cultist.

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Religious connotation as author is preaching. To who remains to be answered.

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Kind of reminds me of that old saying in regards to engines “no replacement for displacement “

I like the 9mm, most carry it and many here have a ton of them but the .45 still has its place.

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Being a “newbie” to firearms, I find I listen more and question less until I reach a level of knowledge confidence. One statement from the OP I question is

While smaller guns are easier to conceal, I don’t agree that they’re easier to control. We have a Ruger LCP 380 that, while I can control it, it’s a bit “snappier” than our newly acquire 1911 45 ACP or my P365 Macro.

100% agree

Heard the same at an early age from my father. So true.

Absolutely!

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Dang, why did he stop there? I would expect a zealot to espouse Manufacture, Model No, Make, Color and absolutely insist on this round purchased from a gun shop in Macon Georgia on a sunny Tuesday Morning…

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I think he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that one morning. He is probably usually a real nice guy. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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“ "And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him—I said, ‘What’s the difference?’… I said, ‘Why are they dying?’ And they showed me x-rays. He said, ‘A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.’”

  • Joe Biden 2022
    :rofl:
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If you are comfortable and proficient with ANY gun, it doesn’t matter, as long as you carry it. (Unless the weapon fails to fire on request. Then a bigger heavier gun is probably even more beneficial!)

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Depends on the make and model, the Beretta 92FS weighs 33oz vs G30 at 26oz.

My 45 came with a 10 round magazine but I use the 13 round magazine

And pocket pistols will have more recoil than a compact/FS .45

Then use a 5.7x28 pistol

So the alternative is to use harsh language when your life is in imminent immediate danger? I will pick up any caliber closest to me, I won’t be checking if it’s a 9mm or 45.

And here’s the rub, if you do not train, you will not have shot placement , you will end up with stray bullets that you will be accountable for.

So now it’s about convenience. The bad guys don’t care if the belt matches the shoes.

Get hit in the chest with a 200gr Underwood .45 +P and let us know about “incapacitation”. :wink:
Hey, that could be the next USCCA video, getting shot in the chest, which West Bend employee is going to draw the short straw?

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Well;

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These will sink a cartel boat!

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