Very true, and if they don’t want you to carry there, they’ll know you’ve left and they’ve lost your business. It’s a win all around!
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I think the carry/don’t carry decision is always a personal one and people need to make their own well-considered judgements on it.
That said, while I believe a house of worship should be a place of refuge, I don’t trust people who wish to hit us where it hurts to believe the same. I don’t trust them to act in accordance with our beliefs instead of their own. As long as they have the ability to choose to not respect the church’s status as a safe place, I will choose to be prepared to defend if needed.
For me, this quote:
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
applies not only to those who defend us militarily and as police and first responders, but also to those who carry. And I think applies to those who stand in a place of peace prepared to sacrifice their own peace of mind to allow others theirs.
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Well said.
I have owned firearms for most of my life but was reared to eschew them. For an explanation, see From a concerned husband & father | Utah Guns Forum. It describes the nexis I have had to cross through the years. It has been very, very hard. Some instances, traumatic, but far afield from what this audience expects.
I take my role as protector as a God-given responsibility. Such a statement might seem to fly in the face of my standing with churches. Like I said, it has been hard. The razor’s edge is this: I believe that sustaining the leaders of my church is more important and farther reaching than the pistol at my hip.
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I agree, but such people regrettably care so little that they compromise themselves by ridicule. “What goes around…” I cannot help but feel disappointment for them.
Regardless of their disdain, I come away with my honor intact, because I acted honorably.
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As far as Churches, they dont ask and I don’t tell. Concealed means CONCEALED. But that’s just me. Nice usage of the quote by George Orwell. One of my favorites.
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That depends on the church and the jurisdiction. Unfortunately in some jurisdictions it’s outright unlawful to carry in others it can only be done with specific permission granted by the church authorities.
Something few people are aware of, even clergy. I suggest this as a good read for all.
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A video on the subject. Can’t speak for the preacher or any other views he holds but scripturally he’s dead on here.
Another good video on the subject from the same source with specific citations and discussions.
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I know Kentucky just went to Constitutional carry last week and the one main business I deliver to in Alabama on the guard shack says no open carry allowed and on the main facility they have a sign saying no weapons allowed. The main one’s in Kentucky just say no weapons allowed and I always have a pretty good sized knife hanging off the side of my pocket for all to see (posted pictures of my EDC a long time ago on here) and they never say anything about it.
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I am in Florida, where they can not enforce the signs… they can trespass you…but cant enforce them.
Unless you are the Walt Disney Company. They will arrest you if you try to come into a park and use aspects of the patriot act to do so as they assume the weapon you are carrying is to carry out terrorist acts.
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Respect for you on this 
it is a personal decision and people should take themselves to task on their decisions, clearly you do.
For myself, I find the responsibility for my own safety, and that of those I am responsible for (and to a somewhat different degree, responsible to) as a personal responsibility, not that of my leaders, elders or others. I find their responsibility to be that of defining the pathway, handle those things outside my responsibility, bring cooperation and vision to a larger group, and, as in the case of the military, to shoulder the responsibility in ways and areas that are not within my scope of influence. And I find my responsibility to be squarely seated in the areas I can directly influence, including the responsibility for the protection of me and mine.
Always glad to have this discussion with others who’ve thought hard about this 
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… ok… so they just ignore the law on this? or is there a separate clause that affects that? I’m guessing the MO clause on entertainment facilities that can hold over 2500 people (IIRC) would apply.
Here’s what I’ve found on that after a very quick search (there may be more info after I search more):
The guy was charged with a 3rd-degree felony, he didn’t have a permit.
Disney Park Rules page:
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@Dawn I was aware of that dude, he had it in his backpack with no permit as that happens a lot and those idiots should be arrested for breaking the law. But I have seen first hand as well as heard stories( I used to work for Disney in sales and know people in the security department). For every team of security guards at the front of each part there are at least 2 County Sherifs deputies shadowing them. NOW… I am not bad mouthing The Walt Disney Co. by any means, but its truly interesting how our rights can be essentially suspended due to what someone considers to be for the greater good. In this case, carrying a licensed weapon in the State Of Florida and being detained because you chose to carry it at Disney World.
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I love Disney and am willing to leave my firearm locked elsewhere when I visit because EVERYONE is checked before they go in. Disney is a private entity and has the right to refuse to let people carry.
And with how many people go through their gates every day and their slogan of the Happiest Place on Earth, it’s a target for terrorists.
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what is interesting to me is the one place they do not do this is at the Disney Water Parks. And you are correct, everyone gets checked, and even though most do not realize this, Disney has a team of plane clothed security guards around the parks and hotels who work VERY closely with LEO. Now that we are on the Disney subject, what is your favorite Disney park @Dawn ?
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@dawn do you think this is 100% effective?
Of course there are never any guarantees, even if we are carrying, but I really am not sure that that what they do is sufficient. Despite their checking everyone on the way in, they want to balance that with the entire experience being “happiest on earth”. They are making choices about how much to do. do you think it’s enough?
I think they do a decent job. If someone really wants to sneak a firearm in they will. I have a few ideas of how it could be done, but I won’t give anyone else those ideas. 
@Jack, I love Disney World and Hollywood Studios! I enjoy Epcot as an adult a lot. I also LOVE the Harry Potter area of Universal (yes, it’s not Disney, but it’s awesome).
My adult daughter wants to go to Hollywood Studios for the Star Wars area, but I said we’ll wait until my next major milestone birthday in three years. 
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“…dead on…”? Might not be the best of words… 
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Then again… . Quite fitting.
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It seems to me that have their heads on right: they only might object if you act strangely or less than respectful (if you know what I mean). Also they know you. That counts for a lot.
Sounds like you work with a good, sane company.
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