Hawaii Bans Adults 18-20 from Buying or Possessing Ammo

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Oral Arguments for En Banc Review of Young v. Hawaii on 24 September, 2020

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Hawaii Bans Adults 18-20 from Buying or Possessing Ammo

The Hawaii legislature has passed a bill that forbids adults aged 18-20 from purchasing or possessing ammunition. It also forbids anyone from transferring ammunition to people under the age of 21. Violation of the Bill would be punishable as a misdemeanor.

On May 2, 2024, the Hawaii Legislature sent Bill SB2845 to Democratic Governor Josh Green for his signature. Governor Green (D). Governor Green has signed several state laws restricting firearms ownership and carry in Hawaii. Governor Green (D) is expected to sign SB2845 into law. Hawaii government is effectively defying the Supreme Court ruling in Bruen. From captol.hawaii.gov:

SECTION 2.
Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

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§134 – Sale of ammunition to a person under the age of twenty-one; prohibition; penalty.
(a) No person shall intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer ammunition for any firearm to any person who is under the age of twenty-one; provided that it shall not be a violation of this section to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer ammunition to a person who:
(1) Meets the criteria to possess a firearm under section 134-5; and
(2) Is actively engaged in hunting or target shooting or going to or from the place of hunting or target shooting.

Bill SB2845 goes on to explain how people who sell or transfer ammunition will be required by law to check government-issued identification to ensure that the person receiving the ammunition is 21 years old or older.

As shown above, people who are under the age of 21 but who have a hunting license are allowed to have ammunition transferred to them while hunting or going to or from the actual place they will be hunting. Additionally, people under the age of 21 who are target shooting or going to or from target shooting are allowed to have ammunition transferred to them. In both cases, people under the age of 21 are required to be accompanied by an adult, as shown in §134-5. State officials and employees of the State or Federal governments are exempted if their duties require them to be armed.

Persons under the age of 21 are forbidden from possessing or controlling any ammunition, with the above-mentioned exemptions.

This correspondent did not find any legal definition of “ammunition” in the Hawaii statutes.

People who have attained the age of eighteen are no longer “minors” under Hawaii law. Therefore, it appears anyone the age of 18 or greater satisfies the requirement that an “adult” be present while hunting or target shooting.

This poorly thought-out law is almost certain to be challenged in federal court. There are already challenges to the ban on the purchase of handguns by adults who are less than 21 years old. No historical laws forbid the purchase of firearms by persons who are 18 years old or older, while there have been historical federal laws requiring the ownership of firearms by persons 18 years or older.

Bans on the purchase, control, or possession of ammunition or arms by persons under the age of 21 are almost certain to be struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional infringements on the rights protected by the Second Amendment.

Hawaii Bans Adults 18-20 from Buying or Possessing Ammo

thought on this… have they finally succeeded in dumbing down through the indoctrination and miseducation of our younger generations enough that they felt they needed this???

Has this already been struck down by the courts?

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OK, Let me get this straight…
You can’t Purchase a Firearm in Pineapple Junction till you are (20) years old?

Also you cannot buy Ammo till you are (21)?

BUT! You CAN go Fight and possibly DIE for these Coconuts in the Service to your country ! (18) ?

Yeah sounds Fair! They HAVE to stop smoking all that Weed they grow down there! Maui Wowee!

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I’m guessing they don’t understand their amazingly vulnerable position in any kind of global conflict?

Or maybe they somehow think they’ll be neutral in any kind of thermonuclear war?

I get the whole “leave me the f**k alone” attitude,…

But seriously?

You’re a landing strip in the middle of an ocean to any world government, especially any NUCLEAR government!

Be that the US, CHINA, or RUSSIA!!!

What exactly are you going to do without even any ammunition or support when the next nation decides to use you as a stepping stone in THEIR war!

Dip$#!+$ :man_facepalming:t2::skull::skull::skull::dotted_line_face:

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Hawaii often flies under the radar but they have the most restrictive gun laws in the country. They are worse than even NY or NJ. That’s a tall bar to reach, but they are there. The worst states for self defense and access to arms seem to be HI, NY, NJ, MD, MA, DE, CA, I think, in that order?

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Liberal haven I have no intention of visiting

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I have been questioning this one for a long time. At 18 we can vote, get married, have kids, enlist in the military and go to foreign lands carrying weapons but we can’t drink or buy/own a pistol/rifle or ammo (State depending) until we are 21? Something wrong with this picture.

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Meh. Nothing new here. Been there, lived there, left there.

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This is the most knee jerk asinine reaction i have ever heard of. They are the most oppressive US citizen state. They we the 2nd to last state in the union. Maybe, since they were a kingdom before us. We should just grant them sensation from the union, and let them go…If they won’t even support the Constitution, why should the Constitution support them?.

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@FRANCOIS Welcome back. :slightly_smiling_face:

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“I’m guessing they don’t understand their amazingly vulnerable position in any kind of global conflict?”

If not for the American gun owners in the 1940’s, everyone would be speaking Japanese.
Yeah, I saw this (and much more to come) in the works a long time ago. Blind, Brainwashed, Party Loyal, Democrats. My dad, a 3 tour Vietnam combat vet 25th infantry, thought he was a Reagan hating Democrat until I went and registered my guns. That’s when he reminded me of how Hitler did it.

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I love the idea but this, but, not actually true

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I don’t rember the precise details, but it wasn’t long ago a judge there said something to the effect that “the spirit of aloha” supercedes the second amendment (while stripping an American of his rights).

Good luck with that when the SHTF, folks. Aloha.

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I think I’d rather throw these Pineapples @ my enemy than their’s…Just sayin’

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They conveniently forget their lesson from (1941)

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You don’t think America’s 2A had anything to do with Admiral Yamamoto’s reluctance to follow up after the Air raid?

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Anti-2A fact-checkers highlight that the following quote was wrongly attributed to Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (no verifiable source)

“You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

However, there’s no denying someone did say it and there’s some truth to it.

Fact-check this!

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Correct

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One or more military leaders in Japan may have thought armed U.S. citizens might present a problem if they chose to invade the Americas. But the reality was that Japan did not have the resources, naval forces, or logistical capacity to conduct more than limited raids against our West Coast. Even if they had anywhere near the logistical capacity needed to perform such a huge undertaking the vast majority of their army was bogged down fighting for territory in China.

Japan didn’t even feel they could muster the necessary resources to take and hold Hawaii during their initial attack. A successful invasion of Hawaii would have likely lengthened the war in the Pacific by at least a year. But all their logistical resources and forces were tied up in taking and controlling islands in the Western half of the Pacific.

The U.S. was unprepared to field a sizable, properly equipped and properly trained force at the beginning of WW2 but the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans presented a huge defensive advantage for the very limited forces we did have available here.

I do think there is a reasonable argument for stating that the 2A assisted to some extent with our military’s efforts in the Pacific, European and other combat zones. The American tradition of hunters and other firearms enthusiasts supplied a pool of people who already had some varying levels of competence with firearms. Suspect that if the Ukrainians could do things over again they would have liked to have started with more citizens who were already armed and trained instead of having to try and train completely inexperienced people from scratch by handing them mock wooden rifles to run around with.

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The ‘Reason’ for the attack on Pearl was to send a message!
‘BACK OFF AMERICA!’
We NEED RESOURCES! (Oil) to live. (SO we are taking it)
History many times over (Even Hollyweird got that correct in ‘Midway’)
They attacked us but didn’t FINISH us BIG MISTAKE!
Like Nazi Germany Japan got us all wrong. THEY THOUGHT WE WERE WEAK!
(What we were was ASLEEP and Unprepared but we fixed those short comings)
To their peril.
Hawaii today thinks they are ‘Autonomous’ (they are also misinformed) WOKE.

If an adult (18+) can fight for their Country they have the right to own a Firearm/Ammo
Should be able to have a drink, drive a car, ALL the RIGHTS AND PRIVILEDGES set forth
in our CONSTITUTION and Bill of Rights. How Fxxking stupid are these people?
How Clueless are the .Gov’s who say they will ‘RESIST’ our New Administration in the
removal of ILLEGAL ALIENS? They are NOT OUR CITIZENS!
The first act coming into this country they BREAK THE LAW-- BUH BYE Axxholes!
You want to stand in FRONT of them ? To PROTECT them?
Rapists, Murderers, Felon’s, Human/Drug Traffickers?
Where was all this ZEAL for Laken Riley’s RIGHTS?
Hawaii and these ‘Progressive/Socialists’ need to be sent a MESSAGE-----‘NO MORE’

HAWAII/Elites don’t run this country—WE THE PEOPLE do!
WAKE THE Fxxk up HAWAII or you will be Left Behind.
No more Federal Aid/Assistance for you!.
Sell your Pineapples and Pot to make ends meet.
Everyone in America is RESPONSIBLE for their Actions
These folk’s who think they are ABOVE THE LAW are sorely misinformed.

The WAKE-UP CALL HAS SOUNDED… Act Accordingly.

WWG1WGA

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The clock was ticking. Japan rightly believed they only had a couple of years to either gain their own direct sources of critical resources or yield to U.S. demands and control.

But it was more than just message sending on their part. It was a strategic decision to try and cripple the U.S. Navy and Air Force in order to gain the time and space needed to secure their own oil and other resources. While they did deal our forces a temporarily crippling blow they failed to knock out the more important oil storage and ship repair facilities that would have significantly slowed down our future war efforts. Not to mention missing out on our aircraft carriers that proved to be the decisive tool in the Pacific.

It was a strategic blunder for Japan to take on China in the first place. But once they did and the U.S. imposed crippling sanctions on them in response, war between us and them became pretty much inevitable. Seems that both sides miscalculated the consequences of their actions. The U.S. shouldn’t have poked the bear before waking up our own forces enough to properly face those consequences.

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