I understand now. Yes I am a stickler for following the laws. I love guns so much I will not lose my right to have them by breaking a law. I am not going to get jammed up over some dumb ■■■■. Now I can effectuate change to things I do not like by donating to certain groups, candidates and vote.
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“Know your target, and what is beyond your target” is one of the cardinal rules of our community.
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I don’t think “bs” is the right term. I think they are just not single issue voters.
It is an interesting idea, but teachers have quite enough to do without adding highly effective security training to the list of mandated proficiencies a teacher must have.
I’m not sure the risk/reward benefit favors armed teachers. Would the kids be more at risk from accidental/negligent discharge or active shooter? Probably the former honestly. The latter events tend to be, statistically, rare. Kids and faculty would then be put at risk from the typically accidents of gun owners arising from unecessary administrative handling, and assorted accidents.
That is just my intuition on this. I’d certainly love a more sound analysis replete with stats and experiments.
I could certainly be convinced of the soundness of the idea.
Currently I think that teachers wanting to be armed, should be provided they go through some kind of fairly rigorous security/firearms training.
I remember when I was in high school (circa 1996-200) and on a random morning there would be security check for every one entering the school, and then permanent metal detectors became a thing.
How sad. The message armed guards and metal detectors send to children is that the government employees (teachers) allegedly dedicated to their education and personal growth are actually so deathly afraid of their charges that they require an armed, uniformed guard and metal detectors to protect them and preserve order.
The message is absolutely not for children! It is for armed thugs, who happen to be underage, and want to make school grounds their turf.
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Yeah funny how that works. Some people knew how to get around it anyways. Just for the sake of getting our cell phones in school. The Nokia cell phones as was the style of the time.
I remember hunting rifles and shotguns in the back windows of students trucks in high school.
One kid even brought in his grandfather’s battle rifle and sidearm from ww2 as part of a display in history class!
How far we’ve fallen
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Yup the start of any hunting season when I was in high school always had cars/trucks with a shotgun or rifle in a window or sitting on the rear seat.
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But, in the interest of not discriminating or profiling, government agents will search everyone, reducing their rights and sending a message that government employees are afraid of the public they profess to serve, and not just a minority of thugs.
Unfortunately the feds will be on site next day with civil rights lawsuit.
Personally, I am fine with either option, and damn the sensitivities of certain members of the public. The message should be “You shall not pass, thug. And if we catch you - you are so screwed”.
Profiling and random metal detectors is fine with me (like Israel airlines do). Carving out special schools for thug students is fine with me, call it safe space (for normal kids). Metal detectors for every student passing in is fine with me.
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And the 4th Amendment be damned. Trading rights for the illusion of security.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
How does it work when I have to enter the courthouse for jury duty (obligatory), or pass through a TSA security checkpoint?
Is the search reasonable in some cases? Such as a school that has knowng gangs.
You’ve just made the gun control argument … society will be safer if only we can ban guns. Sure, that means that some people will give up their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms and own firearms, but hey, it’s worth it if known gangs are disarmed, right?
This is how schools look for gangs …
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Underage thug youths have no right to possess weapons, especially on schoolgrounds. I dont see how this goes against 2A.
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What if they are not thugs, they just happen to attend that school, and they are 18 years old?
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Then they are 18 years old, they pass through the detector on their way to class.
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So whether or not they have a Right to bear arms/possess weapons, is not actually the determining factor in whether or not it is a 4A (or 2A) violation?
(there are plenty of states in which 18 year olds can legally carry firearms))
Just for the sake of discussion
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What, kids bearing concealed arms on school grounds? Which state allows it? We are talking metal detectors in schools, not patrols stop/frisking youths on public streets.
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