Does the ATF have a record of my guns?

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I was wondering if your local state has that information pop up if they run your plates when being pulled over? I live in Washington State and I was under the assumption that they might know.

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LINK, Kentucky’s version of NCIC, will show that the owner(s) of the car have a CCL when the tag is run and the same is true of a Kentucky driver’s license.

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And in some states, you must notify the officer or deputy that you have a permit and if you are armed or not.

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Pistols yes
Long guns, maybe not. In my state you can sell long guns without going thru the ATF. Pistols you have to and I don’t blame them. You would be a fool to sell a handgun without going thru a background check. If that pistol turns up at a murder and its still in your name, you got problems. I think you have to go thru ATF for Pistols anyways. As a rule I don’t sell anything unless I know the person is OK and not liable to go postal and shoot up a school.

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You do not need to go through any ATF office for any firearm that I am aware of. You must use an FFL dealer for a background check on all new firearms purchased from the dealer, or through the internet, and some states do require background checks on person to person transactions though not all do.
I do not think background checks should be required for person to person transactions.

If you want to sell a firearm to your son, father, mother, daughter
 do you really need to pay the fee and have a record of the transaction?

Some states have made a law that if your firearm is stolen you must report it by law
 well DUH. That is absurdity in abundance. It is leftist politicians and they are trying to make it sound as if people let their firearms be stolen and never report it
 and to increase the regulatory and legal hurdles an individual must pass through to exercise their rights.

Now, if you are selling a firearm advertised in the newspaper to a complete stranger, that should be up to the individual to decide if they want to have a background check. While it might be a good idea up to a point, the seller is not the one who should be held accountable for what the purchaser does.

If you sell a firearm to someone who should not have a firearm and they commit a crime, whose responsibility is it? The purchaser.

If a car dealer sales a car to someone who goes out and commits a crime, does anyone hold the dealer responsible?

That sounds laudable though I would ask how you can be sure, how you can verify that the person is OK and will NOT go postal and shoot up a school? None of us know what someone else may do, and remember, many people thought serial killers were wonderful people and great neighbors and would never have thought they would be a serial killer.

Not trying to be rude or antagonistic, but I am concerned with our rights, and how some people are willing to give even an inch away.

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Well
one never knows about whats in a persons mind or what he may do a year down the road. I only have about 3 people that I would feel really cool with selling a rifle to. I don’t trust hardly anyone when it comes to selling guns. Some may call it paranoid. I call it peace of mind. I knew a guy whose father left him a pistol. he kept it at his dads place for his mother. The dealer got a call from the ATF asking questions about the pistol. turns out the guys mom had a scumbag boyfriend who lifted the pistol and got caught by the cops. The ATF also call my friend. I don’t want to speak for anyone else but I try and limit my dealings with either federal of local law enforcement. So unless I will donate bone marrow to you to save your life, you aint getting any rifle or pistol from me unless its thru proper channels.

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Your choice
 as long as it remains a choice.

There are many who do not want to go to a dealer, pay a fee for a background check, to transfer a firearm, regardless of handgun or long gun, to a family member or the neighbor next door. There are many who simply think that is government overreach.

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Looks like they might after seeing some recent info that’s been released.

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The AFT only has a billion guns in their database.

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Pretty sure the state of Massachusetts, not the ATF, maintains a list of everything I’ve bought.

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The best way to avoid that then is not to sell any firearms. I would quite happy having my gunroom look like the basement of the FBI ballistics lab and laugh when the media calls 3 guns and 200 rounds of ammuntion “An Arsenal” Hell, thats what I have under my bed at the moment. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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By law the ATF is not supposed to keep a registry. They don’t seem to care if they break laws or follow the Constitution.

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Just for clarity
 if you have recently purchased a firearm or have a CWP the state and local authorities have your information because the 4473 goes through the state police on the way to NICS. Yes they know you own a gun, what type of gun and when you bought it. The ATFE are not “allowed” to maintain a registry of firearms but the state, local police, DOJ, Intel community and any other executive branch directorate does no have that proscription.

If you have purchased a firearm of any type since say 2012 (as a random number) they know what you got.

Cheers,

Craig6

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Leak Shows ATF Is Trying to Force FFLs Into Digitizing 4473 - AmmoLand Shooting Sports News

the atf has been holding onto out of date NICS background checks and is trying to force the 4473s into a digital registry, this has been known about for a couple years now

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My sentiments exactly. Why would anyone sell a firearm?

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