I got to thinking I have watched a video of actual shootings a lot on active self-defense on YouTube on other various sources and after a person shoots another in self defense you rarely if ever see or hear of the shooter trying to save the the bad guy who just tried to hurt him/her. So my question is do you try to save them do you know how to save them if you do try to save them and end up messing something up try. Are you opening yourself up for some more legal ramifications. So my question is do you try to save them or do you dial 911 and pray for the best outcome
I think you should try to save them, especially if you have had first aid training. When you call 911 make sure you request an ambulance.
Definitely call 911…but I’m not sure about the first aid…and I’m trained in trauma first aid.
I’d probably be recovering from the adrenaline dump while at the same time trying to calm family or others down so I might not be the individual’s best option.
I could see an attorney in a civil case claiming that my first aid efforts were incompetent and added to injury and since I was the one that discharged my weapon at the individual I should not be granted “good Samaritan” protection…it’s always something…
I be li I’ve it depends if the jurisdiction you are in has a good samaritan law.
But either way, wouldnt it be hard to prove you wanted to do anything but stop the threat if you rendered immediate assistance???
I believe that there is a “good samaritan” clause in the law which protects you as the first aid provider. If you’re performing chest compressions to keep the person’s blood circulating but accidentally break his chest bone in the process you are safe from legalities as I understand the law.
But back to the original question. Your safety is paramount. By all means call 911. But if you put the aggressor down in self defense, you honestly have no clue if he has any buddies hanging around who will pounce on you while you are attempting to provide care. I would think the best thing to do is get to a safe, public location, contact the authorities and follow their instruction.
Of course every situation is different. This is just my opinion.
^^^ Check out that thread. Same topic.
But does it apply still if you’re the cause of the individual needing chest compressions and/or a tourni?
Honestly, if the situation happens there is no clear answer. An argument can always be made no matter what. If you do render aid and the person still passes, the argument could be made that you wanted to ensure their death. If you escape to a safer location because you are fearing for your life, but it is later learned that you have first aid training and by law you are required to render aid, they can hang you for that.
It is up to the your attorney at that point to present and argue your case and let the jury decide.
I believe the way I would try to help is to call 911 and request an ambulance and explain what the situation is. Yes people can sue if you try to save them and injure them worse or even cause their death in the process. Helping does not have to be a physical act. Or you realize your CPR, First Aid, AED expired, then they use that against you.
Agree 100 percent with @Shadow2f5
Yes there is a Good Samaritan law agree 100 percent with @JamesR.
Ah the “Seinfeld” ruling…
You know what’s funny that I sometimes believe that the laws protect the people who break the law more than the honest citizens. That’s why I stress that situational awareness so much.
Someone runs out in front of my car at the last second and I hit them, I would render aid. Someone tries to hurt me or my family and I have to shoot them…nope. Call 911, tell them to send police and an ambulance, AFTER I have removed myself from danger. Trained in first aid, or not, there could be others around who mean to do harm. The person I shot could have a wife, girlfriend, brother, father near who would not take kindly to my actions that put the person down, and may escalate the situation. I belive there was an article in the last USCCA about that. Had the person who defended themselves stayed after shooting one attacker and the other attacker getting away, he would have had to deal with the second attacker AND the shot person’s girlfriend when the returned shortly after. Defend yourself, get to safety, call 911.
If I can do it safely, I will try to help. Morally, it’s where I come from. Situationally, if there is any risk in escalation, etc., nope–I call 911 and stay safe.
First…most of ASP stuff is in foreign countries. Second, a moral decision is yours alone. USCCA has a book-- “Should I Shoot?”. This book, though expensive, will guide you through such questions. Many of these decisions need to be made now-- before a situation arises.
This is where I plead the Fifth. Exactly the commentary a prosecutor will use against you! He/she is collecting these statements as we speak. We are all moral people in this community! We would all want to help! I’m with @BigdodgedemoN on this.
Someone runs out in front of my car at the last second and I hit them, I would render aid. Someone tries to hurt me or my family and I have to shoot them…nope. Call 911, tell them to send police and an ambulance
So much for the Fifth!
I ordered that several days ago and got an email that it had shipped yesterday. Looking forward to the read.
I just believe it is a case of choosing the easier defense. While some may think staying to try and help the person you just shot in self defense will make you look like a hero in court, I contend it will not. If anything you open yourself up for more trouble. Staying on the scene could mean a renewed conflict with those associated with your attacker. Attempting to render aid could lead to legal issues by the family, etc. if/when the person dies. I would venture you lose your “good Samaritan” status if you knowingly took the action that put the person in the state they are in. Yes I know police attempt to render aid once they down a potential criminal, but their rules are a little different. Defending yourself, relocating to someplace safe, calling 911. Best bet. In court if they try to say you fled and left them to die, my defense would be I could not guarantee staying on the scene was safe. Who thinks the guy who shot the protestor from his car, with other protestors present should have tried to get out and render aid? Hell no…leave. that is the whole purpose of self defense use what ever means appropriate to the situation to create the opportunity to get to safety.
Read that cover to cover the day it arrived, then read it again! Now reading The Crucial Advantage.