Do you own a Sig Sauer P-320?

If there is going to be the 1 out of 1,000 that has an issue, I will be the Charlie Brown who has it. :grinning:

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Respect Marine! The best salute that I could find to throw you.

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Mucho TNX!

Brooklyn Spanglish:
Mucho Grassy Ass.

When I switch from Active Duty to Reserves we had guys from every branch of our uniformed armed forces (DoD). Hands down the best ones I had the pleasure of working with were always the Marines. Some even made Sergeant Major. Being a Medical unit we had every speciality and rank.

A lot of guys that were enlisted medic with Field Fleet Marines like ā€œIā€ Corps in Vietnam Nam right up at the DMZ on return to state side with the GI Bill got Commissioned Officers on joining the Army Reserves, those ā€œMustangsā€ were the best, I learned a lot from them. Especially, force multipliers on perimeter defenses being a Combat Support Hospital we were close enough to the forward edge of the battlefield (FEBF) to be more help to the wounded warriors, and close enough to be overrun by enemy breakthrough forces. One Clonal OIC I had was a Navy Hospital Corpsman who had served with FFM in I Corps had been awarded a Silver Star under fire. He was our Security Force RAP Rear Area Protection - Rapid Action Platoon OIC, Col. O-6, I was his NCIC, Platoon Sargent, E-7. We placed Claymore Mines around our perimeter defense line to prevent getting over run. Since we were colocated with a helicopter pad and a landing strip to fly casualties in and out we had access to their (Av-fuel) aviation fuel. He tough me about making Fu-Gas bladders with laundry detergent flakes mixed in to make it sticky and place in front of the Claymores as a force multiplier to
maximize thanking out a superior strength overrunning force from breaching our compound.

Yeah, great respect for having that talent for a resource to rely on.
We got along just fine with his experience dealing with the NVA, and VC.

I felt a lot more confident about making in home with him onboard.

I hate typos NCOIC and Foo-gas… two fat thumbs on a tiny keyboard get me every time.

This video is one of many that demonstrates what I’ve heard about it. The overwhelming majority of the complaints are from LEOs. And in a lot, if not all of those cases, there’s a big impact on their career if they have a ND. So what’s their response? ā€œIt wasn’t my fault. The gun just went off on its own.ā€ Dig a little deeper and you find a crappy holster that doesn’t cover the trigger or that the gun wasn’t inserted into the holster properly, finger on the trigger, clothing on the trigger, etc.

I recently heard about a civilian incident at Gunsite Academy where the guy forgot to swap his magazine before stepping away from the firing line. So he tried to swap magazines while in the holster and claimed he never pulled it out of the holster. When they asked him to demonstrate it again, he kept pulling it out of the holster to get to the mag release and his trigger finger kept going to toward the trigger. But once that reputation gets out there, it makes it easier for other people to blame the gun rather than actual negligence. I was just at training this weekend and the instructor made a joke about, ā€œAnyone with a Sig 320, be VERRRRRYYYY gentle with itā€¦ā€, yadda, yadda…

Having said that, I was looking into how the M18 works, and Sig has some great videos out there on the 320 FCU where they try to force it to fire without pressing the trigger. They couldn’t do it, even with all the internal parts exposed, poking, prying, etc. And in the case of the M18, with the safety on, you can push that trigger to the point of breaking internal parts and it won’t fire. Personally, I’d be very comfortable carrying an M18 (with a round in the chamber, of course).

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I almost purchased a Sig Sauer, their products seemed to have some good features. I ended up settling on a different brand.

Did Sig ever win some sales contracts with the U.S. military or police departments? Heard a few alleged malfunctions. As I think I’m human I figured it was human err, but a couple of humble tests posted on vids got me wondering, especially at this day and age, you’d figure we’d engineer them right?

In this first vid, by holstering it, the pressure on the slide caused it to fire, but what did he use the metal screw to simulate?:

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My P322 hasn’t exploded, yet.

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but.. have you used hammer and screw?

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I don’t want to wake my neighbors :grinning_face:

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My 365 hasn’t shot me in the ass yet either!

But I don’t shove a wood screw in the trigger before holstering it…..

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This has been a bit of a saga over the last few years. There have been numerous reports (To date >100) of P320s firing in the holster unintentionally, or to use the current term, un-commanded. Many of these have involved LEOs. Given that the P320 has a very light short trigger pull, many of these incidents may well be due to something interacting with the trigger either through user dumbassery, questionable carry practices, improper holsters and the like. However, there have been some incidents where this is simply not a viable explanation, such as the Camp Foster incident. This incident involved a M18, and it was difintively determined that the pistol was properly seated in the holster, there was no user interaction with the weapon at the time of discharge, and the manual safety was properly engaged. Also somewhat disconcerting is the FBI report that was issued following an examination of a Michigan State Police 320 following an un-commanded discharge.

MSP-M18-Pistol-Evaluation_FINAL_Redacted_Outdoor_Life.pdf

I personally own three 320s, and I have personally had no issues with any of them, however for now they are on the bench, and I am currently carrying a S&W M&P M2.0. For those who are interested, there is a very good thread on Pistol-Forum that covers the issue in depth. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?43653

Note* For some reason clicking on the link doesn’t seem to work for the Pistol-Forum thread, but if you copy and paste the URL it will take you there.

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I start thinking if this guy by making the video didn’t actually found the reason of all the uncommanded discharges.

The interesting is that I couldn’t find a loose slide on any of P320 tested by me. So I’m guessing it might a quality control issue and this problem exists in certain batches of handguns issued to Military and Law Enforcement Agencies.

Looks like money being around all the contracts were so big that nobody bothered about wounded P320 users.
But now, when the life was taken everybody started panicking…

I’m patiently observing the whole situation being completely neutral about this.

I’ve shot dozens of different variations of P320 and never ever experienced any issues or never suspected that the handgun I had been shooting may cause any problems.

My personal opinion - the moment SIG started working with Wilson Combat they should cancel their own production and let the WC making this product.
I’d really love to see WCP320 as a M17 and M18 military version. :wink:

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Yeah, im curious how sig is gonna go forward with this issue.

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A new model, P321 :grinning_face:

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Wonder if i can do a 1 for 1 trade for p229…hmmm, yeah doubt it

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SIG P320 drama continues…

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This is super precise uncommanded discharge test :joy:

Hey SIG… time to take this calculations and redesign few action parts :wink:

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