SAPD holstering Sig Sauer P320 pistol amid safety concerns about the weapon
I do not own a Sig, but this was on my short list. I put that on pause until I can learn more.
Any thoughts or advice?
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Don’t own one but know enough folks that do and some that carry them for “work” with zero issues.
My plan is to let the stakeholders play it out and see what shakes out just like I did with Remington when folks were suing them for “bad triggers”. Actually I picked up a bunch of EXCELLENT REM 700 rifles cheap at that time from folks that panicked, so on that one I scored big!
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Thanks solid advice
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Don’t know anything about these other than our 3 local ranges have banned them from being brought on the premises. That said, Enzo may just have some sage advice. If you can’t shoot them at your local ranges people will probably start selling them at a very reasonable price. I also can’t believe that there is or will be a “fix” to resolve the issue just as is done with so many other things like auto recalls.
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I got a 320 and a M17. I beat the crap out of both with a 16oz deadblow mallet. Both stayed cocked.
I dont carry them, i got my shield 9, g43 and now a G23, but i still take them out and run the snot out of them.
I have no idea what sig is gonna end up doing.
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Prices don’t seem to have dropped on gunbroker.com yet … yes I have been checking 
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Gotta suck for Sig. They sold a metric buttload of these weapons to Uncle Sam. The investigation will likely come down to the Airman did something “Stupid in a No Stupid Zone.” We were plagued with things like that when I was in the AF. I worked on airplanes and the things some of those guys did…HORROR STORIES, and we were supposed to be the smart ones, requiring a higher score on the ASVAB than Security Police. SCARY.
I remember the stories about the Remington 700’s. It all came down to people adjusting the trigger pull out of specifications. The rifles would go off with a stiff wind.
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True, its hard to take the human factor out of it and blame the gun. If i shot myself in the leg, last thing i would say is that it was my fault, especially if your a cop, etc.
Alot of cases but still, alot of stupid and careless people in this world.
Ill still run mine but if sig gets ahold of me, id love to trade up to a P229…just saying
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Just received this from Sig Sauer
P320 Information
P320 Safety Information
Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information.
SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts.
The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world.
FBI Testing and Report
A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing.
Department of Homeland Security
An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America.
U.S. Air Force M18
There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information.
P320 Range and Training Bans
Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000 Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth.
The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here.
As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses.
We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team.
SIG SAUER, Inc.
72 Pease Blvd.
Newington, NH 03801
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A thorough response.
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Yep, a bunch of lawsuits that proved nothing except if you have no talent and skills you should not be playing gunsmith in your kitchen. The ultimate result was Remington putting an idiot proof and much inferior trigger in their rifles which I routinely take out of newer rifles and ditch in the trash and replace with a quality aftermarket trigger.
I have about 5 rifles with the old trigger one of them is the rifle I built for my then 14 year old daughter as her first hunting rifle. A semi-custom stainless 700 that I bedded into an ultralight stock in 7mm-08 and topped with a Leopold VX-3 2-7 compact scope. That rifle will knock the balls off a fly at 200 yards with quality commercial ammo, and accounted for a LOT of perfectly heart shot deer over the years. The trigger is a perfect 1.5lbs that breaks like glass and it’s still EXACTLY where I set it 20 years ago.
I have done trigger jobs myself on ALL of my old Rems and they are bulletproof and some of the best triggers of any rifles I own. I will GLADLY buy any old Remingtons with the original trigger on them from anyone that’s scared of it. It was a MUCH better rifle!!!
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Interesting to me in that this is a popular firearm maker. Within the last 10-15 years, was there any other maker with as many sentinel events?
We each have our own personal preferences, which I should respect. Several years ago, before I ever held a firearm in my hands, I saw a story on the news, where a family was interviewed, after a man was badly injured as a result from a new Browning rifle which reportedly malfunctioned. Browning never awarded the plaintiff family, despite evidence to suggest fault of the manufacturer.
A Jeep Grand Cherokee was turned off, left in park, but autonomously put itself in drive gear, ran over and killed its owner, 27 year old actor Anton Yelchin, 2016.
Since then, I never bought a Browning or a Cherokee, after hearing those stories. I imagine trust is one factor, but being a supportive patron or not - another.
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Sig Sues Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission Over Their P320
Called Sig this past week as I have a P320 M18 (the same model that killed the Airman) to ask if there would be any recalls or if there is anything to worry about with mine, which I’ve had since they first released that model and have had no issues with, by the way. They said “Nope! You’re goo to go.” They also sent me to this website to check out: www.P320truth.com
Take it for whatever it’s worth. They could just be doing damage control. Sig has dozens of models of firearms that have had zero issues and has been around for decades. It would be a shame to see them go under over something like this, although the left would be overjoyed about it.
SIG is cornered with P320 model. That would be a smart move to just correct bad design of action and fix the issue permanently… but my guess is they cannot do this because any change in design may compromise their military contract and the whole procedure of testing and adjusting “new, redesigned M17 and M18 pistols” would have to be started from the scratch again.
SIG can create hundreds of websites and reports, trying to tell us the gun is super safe… but it won’t change anything. Damage has been done and it is irreversible.
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Yeah, I would have to agree with you. It’s kind of a Catch-22 for Sig.
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