Do You Keep Shooting?

THIS My Good Sir is why TRUE Gunner’s TRAIN UP.
This isn’t a game.
There is NO Director who yells ‘CUT’ and everybody gets up and goes for Coffee and a Danish @ the Craft Trucks.
We TRAIN so we create ‘Muscle Memory’, Muscle Memory replaces the jitters (hopefully) in a fight, it calms the Fight or Flight mechanism that kicks in EVERY Time.
Even 'Experienced folk’s feel the Fight or Flight, It’s built in, a SURVIVAL Mechanism, AND @ certain times F or F saves your life.
I’m glad I felt the ‘Nudge’ or heard the Whisper (or SHOUT!) ‘GET THE PHUCK OUTTA HERE!’
later to hear a Movie house had an ‘INCIDENT’ a BAR, or workplace.
You give them enough Lead to be ALIVE/Last Man Standing, you Pray, you get a Prosecutor who isn’t like Hakeem or Letitta. You get a Cop who doesn’t think you should even have a Gun.
It’s a crap shoot.
That’s why you guys have this Insurance. (Just In Case).
WWG1WGA

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Road Rage? I’m right there with you, Ryan.

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I get your thought on this one.

True story:

When I was in the BOOMING Metropolis of Clovis, New Mexico, back in the mid 80’s, I had a buddy named Dwayne. We went shooting all the time together. He is the guy who had the Taurus PT99 I talk about from time to time.

After one day at the range, he was in his trailer cleaning all his weapons, one of them being the PT99. He hears a commotion coming from the trailer next door and sees his neighbor storm out of his trailer, across the breezeway to Dwayne’s trailer, kicks the door open and levels a .22 revolver, firing all the rounds OVER Dwayne’s head. Dwayne picks up his PT99 and double taps his neighbor in the chest, a little to the left. Both rounds go through the neighbor’s heart, and he falls over dead.

The investigation determined the first round killed the neighbor. Dwayne was charged with negligent discharge for the second round.

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THIS! :up_arrow: :up_arrow: :up_arrow:

CHANCE FAVORS THE PREPARED MIND!

If you have your mind fully prepared for a particular task, nothing will stop you from accomplishing that task. If your mind is not fully prepared, you will fail.

This little tidbit of information can be used in everything we do in life, not just self-defense and stopping the threat.

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It’s common for multiple charges to be filed by the prosecution.
A lot of this is an attempt to make someone look guilty.

Was he found guilty of that charge?

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Yes, he was found guilty of negligent discharge and had to pay a fine. It was a misdemeanor. Both rounds were found in his kitchen so they couldn’t say he injured anyone else.

The area he lived in was jokingly referred to as the “DMZ.” De-Militarized Zone. Very few Military guys lived there. It was plagued with gangs, drugs and all the other nasty things you can think of. Dwayne didn’t live there long.

Edited for content.

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So he was charge, as if he had a shot his gun at a target, in the backyard or in his kitchen ( in city limits).

Got it…

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You had better know how the location’s laws are written when visiting states other than your domicile. Recently visiting family in another state and when joining their local sheriff’s shooting range, I was informed the range officer local law is two (2) rounds into a perp/threat. LEO arrives at a shooting and shooter has an empty mag, shooter better be able to justify anything beyond the second round.

FYI

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How do you know when the threat has ended…? It seems like an easy answer to me… When the coroner is wheeling the gurney out. :wink: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Check the pulse first. Perhaps the threat is finished earlier.

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My advice?
‘Don’t go near the Body (Bodies)’
‘Don’t touch their weapons laying by them’.
Don’t TAMPER with the Crime Scene, pick-up/Secure the evidence
Leave everything alone! Check 6, make the calls.
Make sure all threats are down, Put your back to a solid wall
and call the shoot in. LET THE MAN know EXACTLY where you are, you’ve just been in a shoot, and you are ARMED! (Licensed/permitted) Send a Bus for yourself, Injured or not. You will need TIME to get your Sh!t together, EMT’'s will usually run cover for you.
I’m NOT checking a pulse. (2) guys I knew tried that crap and they got dead.
Use as much lead you need to STOP THE THREAT. No more no less.
I don’t believe many ‘Leo’s’ will fault you in a ‘Good shoot’ situation.
Proper application of lead isn’t a crime, Adding a Kill Shot AFTER is.
The last thing you need (with the deck already stacked against you) is ‘witnesses’ claiming they heard firing then a Lull, then a round or two afterwards–try explaining that away? 911, your Lawyer in that order , then STFU! (they WILL check yer phone)
Nobody faulted me for ending those two Junkie kids that tried to rob me
on my job when I emptied my .357 into them. Ending BOTH with Headshots (I got lucky) I knew I didn’t need to check pulses.
I don’t care if a ‘Headshot’ LOOKS BAD! to some folk’s. I didn’t start the fight, I ended it, I was ALIVE to go to the Hospital, those two killers got the body bags!
There is an incredible amount of NOISE out there what to do, what Not to do.
THIS IS WHAT I DID and if the Karmic Wheel spins again and I have to do it again I will do it this way once more.
YOU NEED TO DECIDE BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS WHAT YOU PLAN ON DOING.
TRAIN UP! It will keep the ‘FIGHT or FLIGHT’ Panic to a minimum. It won’t totally negate the Stress, wanting to run, but hopefully it will give you the window to save your life and the lives of Innocents, What TRAINING does is it BUILDS MUSCLE MEMORY, Makes sh!t almost automatic, We are not robots, but Training will give you the edge to SURVIVE THIS. What it also does is keeps you from HESITATING! Hesitate and you could die!. You need to be in the moment and not locked up mentally.
This is why the USCCA tells you to say 'I will cooperate with the investigation and tell you my side AS SOON AS MY LAWYER(S) get here. You start Babbling about the shoot alone and you will make matters infinitely worse.
‘I was in Fear for my life’, I DEFENDED myself from great bodily harm may even be too much right away. I talky Talky when the mouth piece gets here. I need to go to the Hospital.
WWG1WGA

This has been said a MILLION times here already, But each time we repeat this it’s for the ‘NEW GUNNER’, The first time Gun Owner. (Doesn’t hurt to reinforce the PLAN to the experienced either)

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The way you worded it it sounds like you murdered robbers. You might want to fix that to say you killed murders because you feared for your life and it was the only way to stop the threat. I hope you take this as constructive criticism.

The way you read it sounds like he did, he didn’t

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I saw no mention of guns or knives or any deadly weapons. No mention of an imminent deadly threat. Are we supposed to imagine that?

“Nobody faulted me for ending those two Junkie kids that tried to rob me….”

Two, force multiplier.

Two, on drugs.

Two, tried to rob him.

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That is what I am saying. It is implied, not imminent. I am under the impression that this is a hypothetical situation.

The TWO tried to rob him, that’s imminent!

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It is implied not imminent.

You’ll make a fun juror in a Gifford’s lawsuit.

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Hypothetically.