Not trying to start a “who pee’s higher on the tree” contest but what “circle” would he be a role model in?
2 schedule 1 narcotics in his system, passing a fake $20. Resisting Arrest. Poster Child for Citizen of the year award.
Unless we are talking perhaps one of Dante’s Circles of Heck.
That’s just the recent stuff. BTW.
YMMV
Sharia law that will be a shock to the city. Wife beatings will be common in privite and may be a public beating if she is really bad. Eye for an Eye comes to mind in tribial law,e.g., Sharia. Cutting of the hands of thieves, public floggings. I can see a whole new era opening up. It appears to me that under Sharia law almost anything is OK, if it up holds the pride of the family that has been wronged.
Larry
Welcome to the community! 
Not the law abiding, respectful of others and private property, circle. And it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ETHNICITY by the way.
In my humble opinion, it goes back a generation or two. Disrespect for an established society based on self sufficiency and love of God, family and country. These principles have been under attack for decades; indoctrination through the education systems and means of communication.
It will not be simple to erradicate.
Thanx Scoutbob!!!
What an amazingly stupid idea 
Who ever thought that there would be government sponsored WROL?
Report out on homicides and gunshot victims stat percentages up 250% and 56% respectively
And the LA city mayor and council are taking $150M from the LAPD funding to hand over to BLM.
I call it extortion money.
Isn’t it near impossible to legally carry in LA? Pretty frightening.
I love that!
This trend towards censorship is as troubling as anything related to the police.
Yes, if the police are dismantled, the worst of our society will have free reign to do as they wish, with the exception of armed citizens who are probably not trained in the proper arrest procedures required to get a conviction. Lawlessness ultimately leads to repression, but we’ve seen that in our country before and we’ve survived it.
But when voices are so adamantly silenced and opinions repressed, then we cease to be a free society worth protecting. We can’t be united if dissent is punished. How can we talk about “dialogue” when you can be ruined for asking questions?
This, more than anything we’ve seen in 2020, could destroy the union. Two people can’t live as equals in a free society if only one of them is allowed to speak.
I want BLM to be investigated. Many celebrities have donated large sums to the organization. Like many organizations like it, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some wealthy people at the top.
I’ve said this in other posts, BUT I have absolutely no problem with the phrase “Black lives matter”. To me that’s like walking outside and saying the world is round. It’s just a fact. I do not like the BLM organization.
#1 They lack clear goals. It started with Justice for Floyd. They got all of those cops charged and arrested in record time… then they kept going… DC painted “Black Lives Matter” on a street near the White House. BLM basically said that means nothing. Now they want to defund the police… It’s one thing after another and it’s getting extreme.
#2. Where is their money going? From what I’ve seen they are bailing protestors/ rioters out of jail. I haven’t heard anything about the covering legal fees of the victims families (I heard Kanye West did this and bought a whole college fund for Floyd’s daughter which makes a ton more sense than bailing out people who are still going back to court). They have become the charity to give to for celebrity publicity. They are getting lots of money. It seems a little convenient to me that Cali defunded police and gave the money to them…
#3 they create a mob mentality that does not encourage conversation on solving the problem. If you say something that challenges them the slightest, you receive overwhelming hate (at least on the internet, but I guess that goes for everything on the internet). Racism is a multifaceted issue that will never be truly fixed. We need conversation on how we can really fix the problem they’ve brought up. Police policies may need to change, but we should also discuss the “why” police may be more frightened of blacks. We need to discuss why this is wrong but maybe in some instances understandable. We need to discuss the family unit. If you are born into a single family home, your chances for success drop. With one parent you are much more likely to grow up in poverty. This is a truth in all races, but it is also disproportionate in certain races. Change is necessary on ALL sides when it comes to a complicated issue like this. We should be able to have a dialogue or debate without gravely offending anyone. I’m going to leave the it as peach here. It was really good. But if you disagree or try to start a dialogue you can be called “Racist”. If enough people get offended they can make it mainstream and ruin your reputation and get you fired from your job. I believe the people in the movement mean good, but in many ways they’re doing more harm then good.
#4. They only care about high profile police killings of black Americans. Police brutality is not even close to the number one causes of death for black Americans. Black police officers have died from protests. Black businesses have been ruined. But the rampage goes on without a word. It seems when BLM shows up, more black lives are lost.
#5 violence follows the everywhere. I don’t know if it’s fair to associate the organization with violence, but it always seems to follow. They create animosity between police and people instead of trying to build healthy bonds and fix the problem.
#6 they are a tool for political agendas. Whether it is intentional or not, this situation has become a huge political game.
I may have it wrong. Maybe the organization is really good and the media apps up extremists. That being said, I do not trust this movement at all.
100% agree.
I’m going to attempt to ask some what I hope are “good questions” to ponder.
What is the actual function of the Police?
What do we want the actual function to be?
Does a Police presence deter crime?
Does a Police presence create/foster safety?
Edit - I ask this because you could ask similar questions about Fire Departments. But fire departments don’t prevent fires, they put them out.
I hope the answers are not overly simple, but I’m not going to over think this either.
If my car is stolen, and I don’t get it back or get repaid for it, my freedom in this country has been infringed.
If people are selling drugs down the street helping the drug cartel grow, and create danger for our community, that’s a potential infringement on our freedoms.
When traffic stops occur, they are enforcing reasonable (or hopefully reasonable 
) laws to keep the community safe. This is also a time they often find things drugs.
When they arrest a drunk driver, they become a solution to prevent loss of life in the community.
There are always cops who do the unreasonable. The most innocent of these would be speed traps. Cops wait at the bottom of a huge hill so they can get an easy ticket. Instead of getting a really reckless driver, you get someone caught of guard. The Floyd’s case over the forged $10 (from what I understand they never found…). Was ridiculous.
2. The same as above.
Yes, when you go down the street and see a cop do people slow down?
Yes. You would have to be a special kind of stupid to commit crimes in front of a police officer.
The flaws of Law Enforcement. They are human. You give a man authority, someone will eventually abuse it. BUT if that enforcer is not their, some people will take advantage of it. No matter how we look at it it’s a people problem.
(Edit) I think the other factor to consider is not every police force is the same, and every police force experiences there own challenges within their community. A police officer in small town in Oregon has a totally different job then say a police officer in New York. They serve the same purpose, but they work in two very different worlds.
In this day in age, with nation wide media, social media, and constant connectedness, we always try to find cookie cutter solutions for really individualized problems. A good example of this is “Common Core”
You ask good questions, and if people truly want reform they should ask similar questions.
What is the actual function of the Police?
They enforce the laws that are passed by legislative bodies and elected executives, as well as judges. There are a wide variety of police that enforce different types of laws.
…The cynic in me says another role of police is to take the blame for enforcing stupid laws, in order to protect legislative bodies.
What do we want the actual function to be?
I see no change. Police methods are constantly challenged and updated, but they are not the law makers. They merely enforce the law that others pass. In our society, the functions of making laws and enforcing laws are purposefully separated.
Does a Police presence deter crime?
Yes, and I think this has been pretty well proven with experience. Generally, when crime rises in an area, police increase their presence and that either helps reduce crime or move it to yet another area.
Does a Police presence create / foster safety?
It should. But not everyone feels the same way. This has been the subject of many police outreach programs over decades, and it’s at the heart of much of the unrest we’ve seen lately.
I like the answers above!
Here;s an updated article on Camden, NJ. It’s more truthful;.
Very interesting.
Somewhat off topic, but of the reasons I’ve become more and more 2A is because I don’t expect the government to keep me safe. In dangerous cases, we all know they’re really their to investigate and write reports. Hopefully this deters bad crime.
I do believe that is where this is heading. Muslim majority neighborhoods in Michigan already enforce Sharia Law, and NYC has Muslim led Community Safety Patrols.
There is a large Somalian population in and around Minneapolis.
Sharia law in our country fascinates and disturbs me. If you look at where it comes from, It goes against everything this country stands for… It certainly goes against all the ideals of the extreme left, but those are the people who push for it…