Defending against medical coersion at work

I had Covid and never new it. The only reason I know, is because I had the antibody test and was positive. So I have natural immunity now.

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I am sure your children didn’t pressure you. Anyone who vaccinates does it for themselves solely.

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By all means I’m not anti-vaccines. If that’s what makes YOU feel better, and makes your day to day life better, by all means go for it. Don’t have a lot of faith in what CDC has to say. Been that way for along time. Faucci can go stick his head in the sand and disappear. The WHO, pretty much worthless.Have never taken flu vaccine. Not a fan. My immune system has worked pretty well for me over my lifetime. Have much better things in life to worry about.

Currently, the company I work for, drive for isn’t making it mandatory, but highly recommended. They are trying to make everyone put this app on your phone, where you have to put all your info and such, and sign into it everyday and answer some questions. Not going down that road!

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Uh? @Alexander8 ??? My kids had nothing to do with coercing me. I don’t have confidence in any vaccines developed like this. It’s a crap shoot. Of course I hope it works, DA. But I am also doing it for my kids hoping it will convince them to get it too. They’re young and will probably be fine if they get it. All I care about is living four more years. After that I really wouldn’t mind dying. In four years my wife will be able to draw half of my current income for the rest of her life which is likely 50 more years. I’ll be lucky to live 10 more years.

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Forgive me, I don’t understand. My instinct would be to shield my kids from getting a treatment I have no confidence is safe or useful.

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I don’t understand your point.

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It is probably just poor reading comprehension on my part. I meant no disrespect.

It’s not new. The mRNA methodology has been in use for over a decade. It was the chosen, tested, and approved route during the 2012 Ebola scare.
Calling it untested because it’s for a different virus is inaccurate. Refusing the vaccine due to the delivery method is akin to refusing to fill your gas tank because you don’t know what fuel additives that particular gas station uses.

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Regardless of the merits of gas additives or reputation of the gas station, you would agree that my tank - my choice. What do we say to the people who put barricades across the road to force you to visit the gas station, even with full tank?

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If your running out of gas causes your vehicle to stall out on the interstate and results in a multi-car accident then what?
Would you want that on your conscience?
Yes, people should be giving you proper following (social) distance. If everyone was doing the right thing then no one would object to defunding the police. If everyone wore a mask this would’ve died out last Sept.

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s vaccine safety group is investigating reports that a ‘small number’ of teens and young adults who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have experienced heart problems days after receiving their second jab.

The condition, known as myocarditis, results in an inflammation of the heart muscle which can occur following certain infections.

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The wrong fuel additives can eventually shorten the life of your engine. You won’t notice it driving down the road but eventually they can cause premature failure. I’m not too worried about my car dying a few years early but I still avoid sketchy gas reseller stations and places that put high percentages of ethanol in their gas etc when I can. But I want to be around to see my son grow up and I don’t want him to face potential long term chronic problems from methodologies that we have very limited long term experience with. The vaccines may be perfectly safe but we don’t know that yet. Which may be why such a high percentage of medical professionals are refusing to get it despite their daily exposure to the virus.

Again I’m not an anti vaxer and I do think anyone in a high risk group should get it right now. I will likely be forced to get it myself sooner rather than later. This worries me given how I negatively react to the well studied vaccines. But the thought of turning my 6 year old son into a guinea pig worries me greatly. His school was open to in person learning all through the pandemic without a single negative outcome for any of the students or teachers. Being in a classroom with other kids was vital to his mental and emotional well being. Next year they will likely mandate that he gets vaccinated and I will have a very tough to choice to make.

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I never had a Flu shot and never got the Flu, saving me and my employer how much? COVID-19 has over a 98.2% survival rate using the CDC’s admittedly bad data. In April, for the period ending March 31, the CDC claimed there were over 530,000 COVID-19 related deaths since the “outbreak” of COVID-19.

In their footnotes to their numbers they admitted that there were ~240,000 deaths with a Flu comorbidity, at the same time they noted only 9,000 Flu-related deaths for that same period, as opposed to the typical 50,000+ Flu-related deaths annually. They also stated there were over 200,000 “other” comorbidity deaths, and ~60,000 with noted comorbidity factors such as diabetes, obesity, heart disease, terminal cancer, etc. They also noted that most of those that died would have died due to their comorbidities and that only 6% (about 32,000) were singularly due to COVID-19.

Taking into account the the CDC claims a 75% Flu vaccination rate, with annual deaths of about 50,000, that is proof that the COVID-19 vaccine is valueless to the vast numbers of our population, just as they state only those most susceptible to the Flu should get it.

One other factor to look at is that we have been wearing masks, etc., for over one year, but the death rate spiked in January, climbing at the end of November and into December - which just so happens to correspond to Flu season.

Have You Heard? We’re at One-Third! (vaccination rate, April 23, 2021)

Current Total Cases, as of 5/23/2021 32,912,150
Total Deaths 586,335
Death Rate 1.78%
Survival Rate 98.22%
Total Tests Reported 436,706,125
Total Positive Tests 35,048,055
Infection Rate 8.03%
Survival Rate based on Positive Tests 98.33%
Total Cases Per 100,000 People 9,913

Graph showing Spike in January 2021

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How can there be an accident, I thought everyone’s vehicle is accident proof after filling up at Fauchi’s Gas. Either the special gas is effective or risk of accident, but not both!

As far as social distancing, I have an idea for the government : force me to sew a yellow star on my clothes.

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Even if you have been at home for over one year, not sick, and not exposed to anyone that has also been at home for over one year and not exposed to anyone that has also been at home for over one year? What are you protecting yourself from? I surely do not need a vaccine for something I am not being exposed to, let alone a virus with over 98.2% survival rate, and less than one in 10 having ever having been tested positive (and we know how reliable those tests were and are).

100% false. Look at the data I posted.

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It’s been truly amazing this past year… Virtually every auto accident was linked to cars not fueling up.

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Poor attempt at analogy :roll_eyes:

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I keep hearing the vaccines are safe and effective even though the CDC has about 53,000 life threatening reactions and 3,650 deaths reported as an adverse reaction to the vaccines. (VAERS at wonder.cdc.gov).
None of the vaccines are FDA approved. That would be the first thing that needs to happen before I even consider a vaccine.
Second, can anyone tell me the long term effects of the vaccines? It is a rhetorical question because no one can tell me what will happen in 6 months with any credibility let alone 1 year, 5 years or 30 years. Baycol, a cholesterol medication was on the market 3 years before it was pulled as unsafe. I was prescribed Baycol during that period. Zantac was considered safe and effective for 38 years before it was learned that it caused cancer. Lead paint, asbestos and tobacco were considered safe for generations.
When the vaccines have been on the market long enough to know the long term effects, I will consider the vaccine.
Funny thing is that I was tested for Covid and Covid antibodies last Wednesday (5/19/21). I learned Thursday that my PCR test was negative for Covid but, on Friday, my antibody test came back positive. Crazy but this disease is so deadly I had to be tested to know that I ever had it and I cannot remember a time I was sick between 9/12/20 when I was previously tested and 5/19/21. Of course the science is unsure whether you can get Covid if you already had Covid or how long you will be safe but the same is true of the vaccinations. No one can say how long the vaccines will last.
On top of this, I also know of people who have been vaccinated and still got sick including hospitalizations.

For all those who say the vaccines are safe and effective, go to the CDC website and look at all of the reported adverse reactions yourself at wonder.cdc.gov. And, for those asking why I have chosen not to get the Covid vaccine at this time, the answer is simple, the vaccines are still currently under study, they have not been approved by the FDA and they have not been proven to be safe or effective at this time.

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There is also the duplicity of the CDC, as well as Dr. Fauci’s “expertise”. In the beginning, Dr. Fauci stated "No mask is necessary. Then came “Wear your mask” followed by government mandates and shutdowns that bankrupted uncounted small businesses, followed by shutting down schools long after it was discovered that the young were largely not a threat of dispersing the C-19 virus- which continues today with teachers refusing to return to in-person learning, but still getting paid. Then came the UK and Brazil variants with absolutely no outrage when they were called by those names, but extreme outrage if anyone had the gall to call the virus either the “Wuhan or Chinese virus”, which is almost certainly where this virus originated. Then, Dr. Fauci came out with “if one mask is good, 2 masks are more effective”. In the Army, when I was in, it was shown that gas masks were ineffective if worn over facial hair as they would not seal properly, yet they claim that masks were effective. I have worn my mask and my glasses fogged up indicating that the seal was far from effective- fog out, virus in. I submit, though tongue is firmly in cheek, that an effective barrier would be a plastic bag worn over the head and tightly secured around the neck, though the long term benefits are, admittedly, dubious, Because of the ever-changing advise of Dr. Fauci, I have come to intensely question his credibility.
As to the CDC, their funding comes from the government. Therefore, it behooves them to toe the “party line” if they wish to continue to expand their budget. Encouragement to “follow the science” continues, even long after that “science” has been disproved. As such, the credibility of the CDC is also suspect. As evidence of this, I submit their study in support of gun control where they claimed that “gun violence” was a health issue. I hope that all of the above does not present as a rant. This is only my opinion. But I have come to learn that, when the government is insistent that I watch what the right hand is doing, i REALLY want to see what the LEFT hand is doing.

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Sarkasm so thick you can cut it with a knife :slight_smile:

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