Historically, a private employer can make whatever frules they want. If you want to work there, you follow their rules.
My old employer mandated flu shots to all 27,000 employees, and saved millions of dollars a year by preventing nosocomial infections and lost wages. What a concept–you get a vaccine, and you can stay at work and not get other people sick…
If you don’t like the rules, don’t work there.
And they are not forcing you to get the shot. They’re just making it a condition of employment. No different than my employer banning weapons.
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Mr. Plastic, I"m pretty sure the breakthrough rate is MUCH HIGHER than that. They only count hospitalizations and deaths as breakthrough, not positives for COVID (I test people for it full time). I see fully vaccinated people (for several months) test postitive for COVID just about every week–and I"m one tester… I have yet to see any data that looks at breakthrough defined as 'positive for COVID". And the end points in the J/J vaccine focuse on decreasing the ‘severity of illness’-you get covid but you don’t need to be hospitalized. For me, that’s just another great reason to get the vaccine.
I think all 3 of the vaccines are wildly more effective than the average flu shot, which is usually a vaccine against several strains of the flu. And they are safe.
Folks, I think we should be thankful we have the choice to take a vaccine that is saving lives (maybe not saving your life, but probably your mom and dad).
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That’s what Abraham Lincoln tweeted.
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Agreed. Same way an employer may layoff anyone who was treated for substance addiction, or require workers to disclose their HIV status. Same reasons, yet I believe a crapstorm would happen and lawsuits would fly. I want to understand if some private medical info is OK to demand disclosure and discriminate upon, or if all medical status is protected.
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I am almost 100% positive an employer can’t ask about HIV status. HIPPA laws protect that information.
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Yes, Filoviruses and Coronaviruses are radically different forms of virus.
I was not comparing them to each other merely using one of the most researched viral outbreaks in the last 60 years to make a point.
A virus has one goal-reproduce. It neither knows nor cares what it’s mutations do to the host organism; except when those mutations are counter productive to it’s own ends.
HIV is much less transmissable than COVID. You’d have to drink 1 gallon of HIV+ spit to even have a chance of becoming positive yourself. A few good coughs with covid & you’re isolating for 2 weeks.
We are in basically uncharted waters. The last global pandemic didn’t have nearly as many lawyers, and people were much more likely to do the right thing for society. We’ve gotten substantially more self centered in the last 100 years…
I’m still dealing with side effects from something I was injected with. My doc can’t narrow it down because they won’t release my shot records from my last deployment. He says it’s not common but it happens. If he knew what was in me he could treat it.
I was one of the first people in the nation to get the COVID shot. I’m not an anti-vaxxer. But I have sympathy for people who are waiting. The science seems sound, but we only have 6 months of data since they started distributing it. In that same 6 months, the CDC has changed their guidance almost weekly. We don’t know what we don’t know. We’ll know more in 6 more months.
I’m the kind of guy that waits to get the new version of Windows so someone else can find all the bugs. I can’t judge people who are slow to adopt new injections.
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I only speak for myself and am judging no one! The Persian Gulf from Desert Storm to Operation New Dawn is a chemical nightmare that will take decades to sort out like Agent Orange!
They have not yet differentiated between shots, oil fires, depleted uranium, burn pits, sand flies and other possible hazardous exposures. Everything is lumped into:
Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses
The Department of Veterans Affairs divides “Gulf War” exposure illnesses into two categories Unexplained and Infectious. As is the case with Agent Orange these conditions are presumed to be caused by the mere exposure.
Gulf War Veterans’ Medically Unexplained Illnesses A prominent condition affecting Gulf War Veterans is a cluster of medically unexplained chronic symptoms that can include fatigue, headaches, joint pain, indigestion, insomnia, dizziness, respiratory disorders, and memory problems. VA refers to these illnesses as “chronic multi-symptom illness” and “undiagnosed illnesses.” We prefer not to use the term “Gulf War Syndrome” when referring to medically unexplained symptoms reported by Gulf War Veterans. Why? Because symptoms vary widely.
VA presumes certain chronic, unexplained symptoms existing for 6 months or more are related to Gulf War service without regard to cause. These “presumptive” illnesses must have appeared during active duty in the Southwest Asia theater of military operations or by December 31, 2016, and be at least 10 percent disabling. These illnesses include: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, a condition of long-term and severe fatigue that is not relieved by rest and is not directly caused by other conditions. Fibromyalgia, a condition characterized by widespread muscle pain. Other symptoms may include insomnia, morning stiffness, headache, and memory problems. Functional gastrointestinal disorders, a group of conditions marked by chronic or recurrent symptoms related to any part of the gastrointestinal tract. Functional condition refers to an abnormal function of an organ, without a structural alteration in the tissues. Examples include irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), functional dyspepsia, and functional abdominal pain syndrome. Undiagnosed illnesses with symptoms that may include but are not limited to: abnormal weight loss, fatigue, cardiovascular disease, muscle and joint pain, headache, menstrual disorders, neurological and psychological problems, skin conditions, respiratory disorders, and sleep disturbances.
VA presumes the following infectious diseases are related to military service in the Southwest Asia Theater of operations during the first Gulf War starting August 2, 1990, through the conflict in Iraq and on or after September 19, 2001, in Afghanistan. Veterans must have the diseases within the time frames shown below and have a current disability as a result of that disease in order to receive disability compensation.
- Malaria An infectious disease caused by a parasite transmitted by mosquitoes. Symptoms include chills, fever, and sweats. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year from the date of military separation or at a time when standard or accepted treatises indicate that the incubation period began during a qualifying period of military service.
- Brucellosis A bacterial disease with symptoms such as profuse sweating and joint and muscle pain. The illness may be chronic and persist for years. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year from the date of military separation.
- Campylobacter Jejuni A disease with symptoms such as abdominal pain, diarrhea, and fever. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year from the date of military separation.
- Coxiella Burnetii (Q Fever) A bacterial disease with symptoms such as fever, severe headache, and gastrointestinal problems such as nausea and diarrhea. In chronic cases, the illness may cause inflammation of the heart. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year of the date of military separation.
- Mycobacterium Tuberculosis An illness that primarily affects the lungs and causes symptoms such as chest pain, persistent cough (sometimes bloody), weight loss and fever.
- Nontyphoid Salmonella A condition characterized by symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year of the date of military separation.
- Shigella A condition characterized by symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year of the date of military separation.
- Visceral Leishmaniasis A parasitic disease characterized by symptoms such as fever, weight loss, enlargement of the spleen and liver, and anemia. The condition may be fatal if left untreated.
- West Nile Virus A disease spread by mosquitoes characterized by symptoms such as fever, headache, muscle pain or weakness, nausea, and vomiting. Symptoms may range from mild to severe. It must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year from the date of military separation.
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If you’re vaccinated and you believe it’s everything the gov says it is, why the hell do you give a damn what I do?! Same goes for the masks: you want to wear one? Go for it.
The only time I got the flu shot, I got the flu. Then a cold. Then something else. I was sick all winter that year. Haven’t gotten one since. Got a head cold last weekend, lasted 2 days. First time I’ve been sick in close to 15 years.
I don’t do all of the anti-bacterial crap either (soaps, wipes, lotions/potions). We have an immune system, I exercise mine. I believe it makes me stronger. If you don’t expose yourself to germs, etc., you don’t develop immunity.
Not in a rush to get the covid shot, don’t feel the need. Some may think I’m a fool, I don’t care. Do as you wish for you, I’ll do for me. I’m not anti-vax, I choose which I participate in.
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I chose to get vaccinated to be a guinea pig for my children. They all refuse to get vaccinated.
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I am not against vaccines. But I do get very bad reactions to them. Not sure what it is but they usually make me sick and weak for several days. So that is one reason I have not rushed out to get this new one.
The potential issues with the Covid vaccines are two fold. One- They are not just new vaccines but a completely new and previously untested method of vaccination. No one can say for sure if there will be long term side effects because they haven’t been around long enough to find out.
Two- Producing these new vaccines on such a huge scale has never been done before. Entirely new supply chains and factories tend to have more glitches.
I am not a big fan of early adoption. Not for brand new models of cars, firearms or vaccines. I prefer to let others do the beta testing for me. So I am not in a rush given that I have no preexisting conditions am relatively healthy and have a low exposure lifestyle. I work and socialize outdoors.
I do think these vaccines have probably been created and produced in the safest way possible under the circumstances. If I was older, had preexisting conditions or this pandemic was something with a much higher death rate I would have been first in line for a shot. I have recomended that family members with those conditions get theirs. In their cases the known rewards very likely outweigh the unknown risks.
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My guinea pig won’t get the jab😉
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I don’t trust, and I typically don’t bow to peer pressure. We will be waiting a long time to see what the results are going to be from taking this “vaccine” that is not a vaccine. I am always skeptical of anyone who can’t keep their story straight - it’s a strong symptom of lying. The CDC and Fauci can’t keep their stories straight.
I hope that nobody is my family one day regrets taking the jab. Only two of us refused. I guess we’ll see, huh?
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my mom is in a care facility in Florida. !00% of the population is vaccinated…yet they just went under quarantine due to a covid outbreak…My sister who lives nearby and was visiting often has cancer, got the vaccine, and is now freaking because her covid antibodies came back from testing as negative…there has been way too much coersion by, face facts, politically inspired idiots, and besides what’s mentioned above, having a vaccine developed from synthetically produced guesses as to what this evolving virus is does not inspire me to get the vaccine. I’ll stick with my homeopathic stuff, zinc, selenium, colloidal silver, olive leaf, exercise, fresh air etc…just did a 9 state trip in my RV, met all sorts of folks, no masks, and feeling great (except for Tennessee being a bust in finding a house.) Not french kissing any strangers, but a little distance and a great conversation happened numerous times.
2 years ago I nearly died from a mystery infection. The experts solutions made things worse, the final diagnosis was insulting, the cost ridiculous.
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Because by any medical or legal definition, it is NOT a vaccine.
There are many reasons that I choose not to get the China Wuhan Virus NOT-A-VACCINE and the first one is that I have determined for myself that the risk of getting sick from the CWV is not worth getting the shot. Same reason I have never had a flu shot.
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My place of employment has finally lifted the mask “mandate”, but for those that are “fully vaccinated.”
I’m not.
I’m also not going to wear the face diaper at work anymore…
For the lawyers out there, if a not vaccinated person must wear a mask at work, while other’s don’t, why is that not a simple discrimination case based on a PERCEIVED medical condition?
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This is interesting… OSHA’s website at first (as of at least April 21, 2021; OSHA Guidance for Employers Considering Vaccine Requirements):
“If I require my employees to take the COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of their employment, are adverse reactions to the vaccine recordable?
If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7.”
OSHA has since modified their website to say (as of today May 22, 2021; COVID-19 - Frequently Asked Questions | Occupational Safety and Health Administration):
"Are adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recordable on the OSHA recordkeeping log?
DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward."
Seems to me under the OSHA clarification, employers MAY be held liable for injuries due to these requirements. We’ll have to see how everything plays out.
Best regards,
Jason
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I had the bat flu around Christmas. I had pretty bad symptoms for two days the third day I was feeling quite better and went to the testing facility work required. They gave me a seven day quarantine/hunting excuse. I spent the 4 th day with the bay flu hunting in freezing weather and snow in a tree stand 30’ in the air.
I exercise 4 days a week and eat right, I don’t need the vaccine.
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I have chosen, for the time being, not to be injected with any of the COVID vaccines for a variety of reasons. For one, this particular vaccine has been a rush job. its conception, development, testing, approval and distribution has been accomplished through either ignoring or streamlining, or curtailing standard, bedrock procedures previously considered sacrosanct. All this for a virus with a better than 98% survival rate.
Second, in this day and age of agenda-driven everything, the very term “science” has been become an article of dogma; a magic word used to shut down opposition rather than educate or explain. I don’t mean to say that Science shouldn’t be trusted, just that self-appointed experts wielding “science” as cudgel to beat down debate or opposition to their chosen agenda should be considered with extreme skepticism.
Another issue is the permanence of vaccination. People who have trouble either making or maintaining their commitments, be it to a job or a spouse or or finance company, are happily lining up to be injected with an experimental drug which is designed to make un-alterable changes to their immune systems (at least). Don’t like the effects of the drug you’ve been prescribed? Stop taking it. Not happy with the results of your doctor’s advice? Go find a different doctor. Having a bad outcome from a rushed-up experimental vaccine? Too bad, so sad, you’re stuck with it. There’s an old saying which goes something like “Don’t do what you can’t undo until you’ve considered everything you can no longer do once you’ve done it.” Not an argument against taking the vaccine, per se; rather an exhortation to caution and due diligence before committing to it or another irreversible act.
Just some thoughts and observations, subject to change in the face of new evidence.
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