Concealed Vs. Open Carry

I have thought about this for a while. In my state the only option is concealed carry. At first I would agree it seems best. However as my wish for guns expands there are some things where open carry would have an advantage.

I plan on moving to a state that offers both options and that has opened my weapon choices a bit. A full sized weapon has a longer distance between front and rear sight making longer range shots easier. I am thinking of a 1911 as my next gun but I could see a Desert Eagle in 44 mag after that. Neither of those two are easy to conceal.

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Well, you could do so if you were OC’ng by presenting the polar opposite for the public to see.

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Element of surprise vs visible deterrence.

One is reactive, the other is proactive.

Personally I’d rather go with the deterrence effect but that’s a decision for each and every one of us to make on our own.

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From my own experience it’s just a matter of people becoming accustomed to seeing law abiding folks go about their business while carrying.

When something is common and non threatening it’s no longer alarming.

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WildRose, I respectfully disagree but that’s why they make Chevrolets and Fords.
I don’t like causing undue alarm or drawing attention to myself but am capable of
dealing with situations that might arise with the edge of stealth. No one should be
alarmed at seeing a gun but that was back before the propaganda machine took
over the media and schools.

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You are free to disagree. I don’t think anyone should be required to carry openly but I have seen for myself that once people become accustomed to it, OC doesn’t generate a negative response with the public.

Some folks may not like it but those are probably the same folks that get offended when they see an NRA or USCCA logo on my hat or on my truck.

Crime studies however prove conclusively that the mere knowledge someone is armed deters most criminals most of the time so the deterrence is very real.

I’ve carried most of my adult life just as a function of how I’ve made my living and the more I’ve become involved formally as an instructor I’ve made the choice for myself to OC where I legally can most of the time for both reasons and as a simple conversation starter. Not all of my interactions have been positive but overwhelmingly they have been.

I’m not a crusader but I do try to be a friendly, polite, and quiet persuader.

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I’m 100% with @WildRose here. The best part of open carry is being an Ambassador for the gun community. Our community needs people who open carry to demonstrate that we’re not all evil, unhinged maniacs, but normal every day people.

Yea it draws attention, that’s the point. Yea you will get people who stare, might even call the cops on you. You give up your surprise element but that’s the price of being an Ambassador to the non-gun crowd.

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That and the deterrence factor which is proven by numerous crime studies.

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Ok, this is kinda long, but there’s a good story in here, I promise…

In our region of Missouri Open Carry is NOT equivalent to alarming random people. Open Carry IS equivalent to one glance and move along minding your own business. That was not true even 15 years ago so things can be changed, and quite rapidly.

In my area of Missouri, we never see people react with alarm. My husband OCs, I typically CC but sometimes OC, and my granddaughter always CCs. My hubby has been OCing since it was made legal state-wide, and MO is now constitutional carry. We’ve never been approached by LE regarding our carry status, either OC or CC, and people don’t even give my hubby’s or my OC a second look. And its not like “everybody does it”… a very small percentage of folks OC here, occasionally we see someone besides my husband, but certainly not every time we’re out and about.

It doesn’t actually take a lot of time for people to change their expectations and behavior…

In 2013, at the Walmart in Marshfield MO, 4 women who were open carrying stopped into the Walmart Subway for lunch. They were 911’d by some concerned shoppers and then confronted by the responding Marshfield deputy. Their OC was legal, however the deputy was very “show me your papers” and “nobody is going anywhere until I determine if a crime has been committed”. After an hour of detaining and questioning the 4 women and a gentleman friend, the Marshfield Chief of Police was called to the scene and, correctly, gave them thumbs up on their firearms practices, and released them with a “have a nice lunch”.

Today, we shop at that same Walmart all the time with my hubby OC and nobody even notices… 6 years and OC is a totally non-event.

Between 2003 and 2015 the gun laws in Missouri changed virtually every year. Unifying laws to be consistent across the state, OC, castle doctrine, stand your ground, option for schools to allow carry on campus, permitless constitutional carry - all became legal during that time. When these laws were voted in, some were vetoed by the governor, and then the vetos were overwhelmingly overridden.

The state population, as a whole, gets it about firearms and 2A, but it is by no means an opinion held by every resident, and certainly wasn’t when these changes were initially being pursued. OCers were 911’d a lot early on - and as law enforcement did a better job of educating their officers to the changing laws, the challenge stopped being “Why are you carrying a gun?” and became “Why are you wasting police time by calling 911 about people who are doing nothing illegal?” And guess what… people have largely stopped dialing 911. They don’t clutch their chests, and they don’t even stare.

Open carry DOES work as an educational effort, when done correctly and politely within the local laws by “normal” people. Normalizing open carry changes how people behave and react, and I believe it changes how they see firearms in general. The evolution in people’s attitudes in our little corner of MO is pretty good evidence that it’s a thing worth doing.

To those that worry they’re creating unnecessary alarm - I’m going to say you are creating NECESSARY alarm - so those folks can have an opportunity to change their experience, and their information, and their fear, and their behavior.

Yes, it might draw some additional attention - and you may get to speak to more officers about it if you’re in an area where the laws are evolving… but that contributes to the officer’s education as well.

Not everyone needs to carry this lesson to the public, but where we live I can see the very direct result of some folks doing so and I’m 100% with those who are willing to do it.

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Zee,

I was not aware that Missouri was so advanced in the gun debate. I thought Alabama was ahead of the curve. I carry all the time, including “No Go” zones so I always carry concealed. We are just blessed not to live in one of the socialist/communist states with the large mouths and little brains.

Sincerely,

Larry…

“A Friend is a person who knows you and still likes you.”

“Megan Martin via USCCA Community” [email protected]

Zee
August 2

Larry5:
I don’t like causing undue alarm or drawing attention to myself but am capable of
dealing with situations that might arise with the edge of stealth. No one should be
alarmed at seeing a gun but that was back before the propaganda machine took
over the media and schools.

Ok, this is kinda long, but there’s a good story in here, I promise…

In our region of Missouri Open Carry is NOT equivalent to alarming random people. Open Carry IS equivalent to one glance and move along minding your own business. That was not true even 15 years ago so things can be changed, and quite rapidly.

In my area of Missouri, we never see people react with alarm. My husband OCs, I typically CC but sometimes OC, and my granddaughter always CCs. My hubby has been OCing since it was made legal state-wide, and MO is now constitutional carry. We’ve never been approached by LE regarding our carry status, either OC or CC, and people don’t even give my hubby’s or my OC a second look. And its not like “everybody does it”… a very small percentage of folks OC here, occasionally we see someone besides my husband, but certainly not every time we’re out and about.

It doesn’t actually take a lot of time for people to change their expectations and behavior…

In 2013, at the Walmart in Marshfield MO, 4 women who were open carrying stopped into the Walmart Subway for lunch. They were 911’d by some concerned shoppers and then confronted by the responding Marshfield deputy. Their OC was legal, however the deputy was very “show me your papers” and “nobody is going anywhere until I determine if a crime has been committed”. After an hour of detaining and questioning the 4 women and a gentleman friend, the Marshfield Chief of Police was called to the scene and, correctly, gave them thumbs up on their firearms practices, and released them with a “have a nice lunch”.

Today, we shop at that same Walmart all the time with my hubby OC and nobody even notices… 6 years and OC is a totally non-event.

Between 2003 and 2015 the gun laws in Missouri changed virtually every year. Unifying laws to be consistent across the state, OC, castle doctrine, stand your ground, option for schools to allow carry on campus, permitless constitutional carry - all became legal during that time. When these laws were voted in, some were vetoed by the governor, and then the vetos were overwhelmingly overridden.

The state population, as a whole, gets it about firearms and 2A, but it is by no means an opinion held by every resident, and certainly wasn’t when these changes were initially being pursued. OCers were 911’d a lot early on - and as law enforcement did a better job of educating their officers to the changing laws, the challenge stopped being “Why are you carrying a gun?” and became “Why are you wasting police time by calling 911 about people who are doing nothing illegal?” And guess what… people have largely stopped dialing 911. They don’t clutch their chests, and they don’t even stare.

Open carry DOES work as an educational effort, when done correctly and politely within the local laws by “normal” people. Normalizing open carry changes how people behave and react, and I believe it changes how they see firearms in general. The evolution in people’s attitudes in our little corner of MO is pretty good evidence that it’s a thing worth doing.

To those that worry they’re creating unnecessary alarm - I’m going to say you are creating NECESSARY alarm - so those folks can have an opportunity to change their experience, and their information, and their fear, and their behavior.

Yes, it might draw some additional attention - and you may get to speak to more officers about it if you’re in an area where the laws are evolving… but that contributes to the officer’s education as well.

Not everyone needs to carry this lesson to the public, but where we live I can see the very direct result of some folks doing so and I’m 100% with those who are willing to do it.

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I live in Wisconsin for the past 7 years i’ve been open carrying. Sometimes I will conceal but mostly open. I have never had a problem with it even with law enforcement. I like both to each his own I guess.

After reading the comments in the section we are definitely Our Own Worst Enemy. Just my opinion that’s all. I think it’s interesting that the people that open carry have no problem with concealed carry. the people that concealed carry only have a problem people that open carry I’ve heard this debate for a long time. Again just my opinion

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I do both depending on the situation and my destination. Things can get ugly around Madison if you open carry. (I live about 30 minutes south of Madison).

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@DBrogue: I don’t live anywhere near Madison .I live in New Richmond. I’ve never had a problem open carrying up north here. We go to the Dells about once a year. I’ve never had a problem down there either.

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@Zach

I work in Madison and it is a very left leaning environment. I open carry while doing yard work, when I am out on the motorcycle and occasionally in town (I live in Stoughton).

I carry open or concealed carry whenever I leave the house.

I am originally from about 20 miles west of Oshkosh and never had any issues there.

Don

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Home open
Outside of home concealed

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First post here, so be gentle with me. :smile:
I live in Michigan where anyone can OC and you need to be licensed to CC. I CC. I went to an open carry event once, but I still CCd. I only open carry at the range.

I guess for day-to-day activities, I just don’t want to alarm anyone. At work, we currently have a “don’t ask, don’t tell” kind of atmosphere and by open carrying, I’d be telling.

Even though I support open carry, I would still look twice if I saw someone doing it, because it’s still that rare of a sight. I’d look twice and sort of size them up, I guess, to see if I thought they were acting cool.

I can certainly see the logic in promoting it so that people would get used to it. But with these active shooters making the news, I think that the sight of a gun on someone’s hip is going to raise alarms.

I am enjoying reading all the perspectives here.

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Welcome to the club, Dani! Lots of good stuff goes on here.

Regards

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@Dani

Hi Dani! Fellow Michigander here. I’m guessing you live in the lower half of the lower peninsula. I see people Openly Carrying more often in the EUP. It’s a different world up here i suppose. Glad you’re carrying!

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I’m not a big fan of open carry. I think there’s more reasons not to open carry than I can even think of, OWB in the winter might be ok. I bought a Fobus OWB holster for a gun I had at one time but the gun they sent it for wasn’t even close to fitting my gun. I couldn’t even force the gun into the holster. But I think it can be dangerous not to mention every single person you come in contact with are going to be calling the police on you. I remember seeing video on YouTube of some of those people who call themselves Sovereign Citizens and seems like they annoy the police and never prove their point that the law doesn’t even apply to them. I don’t know I say show ID and move on.

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That is why I only open carry in the woods. I do carry OWB in the fall and winter, but it is concealed. I found this brand of holsters called tactical measure. Their OWB holsters are awesome for conceal carry in winter in my opinion.

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