I’m convinced the “straight back” pull of a 1911 trigger is a plus in keeping on target versus the “swing” design of Glocks. The trigger design of the Sig P938 BRG on page 22 in the Nov/Dec 2024 Concealed Carry magazine was a surprise when it is not a 1911. Any pros/cons from those more educated than me to help explain the ergonomics would be appreciated. I carry a SA XDS but shoot more accurately with my closet queen Kimber Stainless 1911. Yes it’s bigger.
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Not better, just different. I will agree that to a new shooter the crisp single action 1911 trigger does help with “accuracy” but that is only ONE factor in a complex equation.
In reality it’s all about training. I no longer have a difference in accuracy when going from one system to another because of thousands of rounds on many different platform. Funny enough I find myself wanting to shoot double action with revolvers because that longer trigger pull makes me concentrate on my sight picture more.
But folks do develop preferences and I tell folks to pick the platform that feels good to them FIRST and then take on getting good with it. My thinking is if you think your wife is ugly you won’t take her dancing as often, and when you do you won’t enjoy it much.
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Just my opinion…
Although I can see the benefits of the 1911 style trigger, if the sights move off target when dry firing any gun then hand position, trigger finger position, and trigger control should be addressed. The idea is to keep the gun/sights on target without moving throughout the trigger pull and reset.
IMO, lighter triggers, shorter triggers, trigger design, etc. can help hide bad technique. On the flip side, good technique transfers over to many different trigger/gun types. And, yes, this is something I’ve also had to work on over the years and keep an eye on whenever I go to the range.
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Trigger control is a perishable skill. If your not on it consistently it deteriorates. Col. Jeff Cooper kept a Colt Officers model on his desk as a paperweight and dry fired it during calls, meetings etc, every day.
I do the same with 1911s, Glocks, DA revolvers all the time. I have a small orange dot sticky on the wall and I use it as my aiming point. Works great!!!
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To go along with your first statement about new shooters possibly being more accurate with a 1911, it would be interesting to know the number of concealed carry individuals that never go beyond new shooter skills. I for one would qualify as that. I’m 72 and only go to an indoor range about once every two years to shoot at paper. I don’t plan on entering competitions nor getting involved in a shootout more than 30 feet away, say in my house or at church.
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1911s shoot amazing, I won’t be carrying one.
Glock is a really good defensive trigger. If a trigger is too light it could be accidentally fired unintentionally during a stressful situation. Glocks don’t have external safeties, 1911s need a safety. I also like the Glock internal safety design for carry. A Glock is not going off unless the trigger is pulled. 1911 might if dropped.
A lot of folks prefer the DA/SA systems for this reason. I just like the simplicity of striker fired guns.
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Going to a range is only a small part of your training. Drawing from concealment, planing your home defense strategy, dry firing to maintain trigger control, first aid, home security assessments, de-escalation, are all part of the training offered by the USCCA and this and much more can be do from home to increase your chances of survival. Knowledge and mindset are more important than just pure target trigger pulling time.
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I agree. I’ve been carrying for about 7 years and a member of USCCA all that time. I’ve tried at home electronic dry firing practice, found it boring. My area has more access to affordable Indoor range practice which don’t allow a holster drawing practice. I’ve only shot at outside ranges twice and one of those had the same restriction. Not certain about the other. I do read a lot and run scenarios through my head but understand adrenaline will change everything even for the most trained. I’ve been a volunteer firefighter before and understand real danger versus practice.
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Just a note… 1911 designs that use the series 80 uses afiring pin safety (linked to the trigger). Similarly, Kimber models with a “II” after the model use the Swartz firing pin safety (linked to the grip safety).
It’s the series 70 design that is popular which does not use a firing pin safety, and instead often (but not all) use a light weight firing pin to reduce the possibility of firing when dropped straight down on the barrel.
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I’ve heard a lot of negatives about those triggers.
I don’t think the high end 1911 or 2011 use anything except maybe a heavier string or lighter firing pin like you said. Garand thumb did a drop test a while back and all of the 1911/2011s failed. I think one was a nighthawk and the other a staccato. Very nice guns.
Definitely saying no one should carry that, but I just have heard horror stories of people dropping guns getting out of their vehicle and I’ve seen a man with a 1911 tucked in his belt no holster…. Which isn’t the 1911s fault lol.
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Here’s yet another Youtuber dropping his Staccato (Series 70 design firing pin) on the muzzle from shoulder height on both plywood and concrete. Long video short, it did not fire dropped on plywood, but did fire when dropped on concrete.
Regardless, It would be interesting to find out how many times someone has accidentally dropped their Series 70 directly on the muzzle from a great enough height to discharge in the over 100 years of production of this design. I have personally used an umbrella in the rain despite the risk …
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Right and though not safe, muzzle down is not the same ramifications as muzzle up (like those 320s when they first came out). 
I just like the added comfort of (most) striker fired pistols. 2011 1911 guys can carry what they want. Those guns are awesome. …. I also don’t have the money for a nice one 
Go to Mexico before the 20th. Come back across illegally, get your free $2500, buy yourself a nice 1911/2011. 
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Sorry I got sidetracked and forgot this was the slide trigger vs. hinge trigger thread …
I own 1911 Series 70, Series 80, and a hinge trigger P938 mentioned earlier in this thread. They all measure roughly 5lb trigger pull. The Series 70 and 80 triggers have a much crisper break than the P938, i.e., the P938 is a bit spongey. Although not as crisp as the Series 70 and 80, I have shot the P938 so much I can feel exactly where the wall is and how much more pressure it is going to take to break. I personally don’t notice any difference between the Series 70 and 80 break.
Objectively, the Series 80 firing pin shoots a wooden pencil much further across the room than the other two.
Edit: I don’t own any striker fire to compare to. However, when I have tried friend’s striker fires at the range I do not like the trigger on either the Glock nor the Hellfire, nor the FN509. I do really like the trigger on the Canik and have considered purchasing one.
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