Beloved EDC Heartache

K, so…(Queso?)…let’s have some fun with this. Post your stories of non-range, non-self-defense heartaches concerning your most beloved weapons.

I have a “new” old Safe Queen I created today. Didn’t want to, but it happened.

I had some down time and decided to do a deep clean on my EDC Wireless Hole Puncher. Her name is Milly. Once a week she gets a wipe down with an oily rag. Not oil soaked, but lightly oiled. The rag never gets washed. Once a month Milly gets a field strip where I pull the slide off, remove the barrel, dust out the insides, run a patch through the barrel, lightly oil and reassemble.

Today, though, was different. I took everything apart I possibly could (including all three EDC magazines) without removing any pins. It wasn’t that much more to pull apart - four screws for the grips and pop the mag release out. The mag release was the last thing I took apart.

No Problem, Right?

Anyone who has ever owned, operated, disassembled a full sized Beretta 90/92/96 knows the spring for the mag release has A LOT of tension and great care must be taken during removal and installation. I have jokingly referred to my recoil spring as working part time as a valve return spring on a Chevy V-8. The mag release spring is a smaller version and could moonlight as a valve spring for a lawn mower engine. Very tough little spring.

So, there I was, working in the back of the Expedition (my Wife hates the smell of the gun cleaner and oil, so I can’t work inside, My oldest son commandeered the workbench in the shop for his computer project and it was a nice day), I have the tunes on, I have a cold beverage, and I am in the zone. At the exact moment I go to pull the mag release out, which is a simple function of depressing the off side of the button and slipping it out of its detent position, one of my cats decides to jump into the truck to observe and play su-purr-visor.

I lost my careful grip on the mag release assemble and it came apart. As the spring sailed passed, I felt it ever so gently graze the whiskers on my right cheek.

Well, I have been looking into upgrading to a larger mag release, so off to the internet I went, after cleaning and assembling the remaining parts. After an exhaustive search, I figured out that EVERY aftermarket, oversized Beretta 92/96 magazine release DID NOT come with the spring or bushings. It was stated in the description for the part.

I reached out to Beretta.

Beretta does have polymer and steel versions of the magazine release sold separately and a kit to upgrade a few polymer parts to steel. The kit includes a complete magazine release assemble (with spring and bushings), steel trigger and steel decocking lever. The kit is $100 for stainless and $97 for blued. The steel mag release is $45 and the polymer is $20.

I opened a chat window with beretta and aske a rep if the $45 mag release came with the spring, he said “No” and I asked him if he could verify, have someone do a bin check, physically look. He said he would and someone would get back to me via email. I did receive an email from Beretta a short time later saying the case was closed.

I contacted them again via chat window and explained the situation again. It was a different person. This guy was like “What’s the puzzle?” He explained ALL the Beretta magazine releases were assemblies and came with springs and bushings. He said the guy I spoke with previously was new and didn’t even own a Beretta pistol. On the second guys word, I ordered the $45 steel mag release. It should be here next week.

The image shows my OE mag release and both bushings. I purposely turned the mag release upside down in a frown because it’s sad. I will update the thread when the new one comes in and gets installed.

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That is sad. I am hoping for a better ending.

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Feel for you. Not to make too much light of a “Oh no” situation, but when I saw the sad face made by the three metal parts - I was struck with a loud cry, not to mention the creativity, it almost made it itself.

Unrelated but bought a new bicycle a couple months ago, assembled it myself, “look honey, I even got some free extra spare parts left over”. No bueno.

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Not a safe Queen, couldn’t afford one, it’s my Ruger Max-9 fresh from its first trip to the range.

As usual, field strip followed when I got home. I was doing fine when I decided to work the slide on the grip frame, just like caressing without resistance.

Not sure anymore if I read it or heard it mentioned on YouTube, albeit too late: do not put the slide on grip frame without the barrel and recoil spring assembly. Noncompliance will result in getting the slide stuck on the frame.

I thought I just turned my new pistol into a paperweight. I watched and rewatched two YT videos and probably took me a minimum of 30 minutes to get the slide unstuck.

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I have Learned my lesson i take all my tools to Brothers who can see Better and enjoy the Headache of where did that spring go or where is that screw??? Brother sir it’s just so much easier And it Doesn’t cost as much as Losing this a that !!! There was a time . lol :joy: when only myself would field strip my tools. Not anymore Sir My head hurts enough already lol :joy: Love Bobby Jean Ann Debbie Ann Twofeathers Sir . Ps. Debbie Ann will pay me not to take da Babies apart lol :joy: seriously here’s ya a Root Beer :beer_mug: for all who do

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Well, that sucks, and sorry for the trouble. I hope you have a backup carry gun while you wait for the spring.

I’m not going to jinx myself and say I’ve never had something similar happen yet, but I’m getting more and more into @BobbyJean 's camp. My eyes are no good anymore up close, and my hands shake a bit for really fine work, so things that involve compressed springs and tiny parts make me hesitate these days.

Good luck brother.

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Joseph488 I’m turning 60, in about two months and after bein injured and tryin to get Better I know gettin older I have found I can mess up a anvil with a Rubber mallet, lol :joy: and trying to find all them little parts lookin through my scope it’s hard !!! Well worth the money to just take it to my friends shop and for a couple Root Beers :clinking_beer_mugs: it’s as good as if I never worked on it I need to get some glasses that don’t come from the Dollar store . lol :joy: no shame in havin it fixed right the first time . Here’s ya a Root Beer :beer_mug: Brother Sir for getter Done !! 8 Months ago I would have never thought about doin this but that’s 8 months ago lol :joy: seriously . No shame in gettin it Right in fact our Very Lives Depend on it . Love ya Brother Sir Thanks for all y’all’s support . Love Bobby Jean and Debbie Ann Twofeathers . Sir

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Oooff!

Yeah, that would be my .50 cal……

I F’d up,…. Didn’t know I did it either.

Last outing on the 11th shot, last shot before I was gonna hand it off to my buddy who wanted a pull,…. She kicked like a mule!!! And somehow,… no spent brass to be found?

I dropped the magazine, four rounds left which was the correct number…..

Tried to clear the chamber,…. And the bolt would only draw back about 2”….. well less than 1/2 of its necessary travel and it hit a HARD STOP!!!

The spent brass was still attached to the bolt by the extractor,… the gun did fire,… I missed just left on the shot at 600 by the video, so we knew the weapon was safe.

So I bagged her back up and kept shooting everything else we brought! Not gonna let even that heartbreaking of a failure ruin the whole day!

The brass was a problem because of the way the M-107A1 breaks down. It has two pins that hold the upper to the lower, once they’re removed, you pull the bolt back from the breach and the upper including the barrel pivots off the very front of the gun, leaving the bolt riding in the lower.

That doesn’t work however when there still 3” of brass in the chamber and attached to the bolt that needs to stay with the lower!

Anyway, I could just see the back 1/2” of the brass and the bolt face that’s exposed through the ejection port… and I was able to use a pick to get the extractor to release the casing and successfully disassembled the gun.

Once I got the upper out of the way I could see exactly what the problem was!

The alignment pin in the hydraulic buffer had fallen out and jammed between the buffer and the frame of the gun!


Why did it fall out you may ask? Because it is supposed to ride in a groove in the buffer sleeve,…. But the sleeve was rotated and was pounding on the pin!
(The channel the pin should ride in is vertical in this picture,… you can see the damage on the face of the sleeve that was vertical at the time of failure)

When everything is lined up correctly, that pin will never be under any stress at all, and even if it walked out of its pressed fit, it would be captured in position by the recoil spring….

The failure was almost certainly my fault, I have the rifle on display, and to render it inoperable I lock just the bolt in the safe,…. At some time the buffer must have slid forward allowing the sleeve to rotate out of alignment…. I didn’t know to look when reinstalling the bolt causing the failure.

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Couple shots of the damage to the buffer and sleeve.




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Sorry for yer ‘Troubles’ Brother. I have always stated here ‘I AM NO GUNSMITH!’ I’ve seen Gunner’s poke N Prod, and turn a perfectly good firearm into a pile of parts (and USUALLY put it back together again----AMAZING) It is Beyond my capabilities. I admit it, No shame just the facts. I also have (3) Cats—not a good recipe for having optimum performance Self Defense weapon to count on when (if) the time comes to deploy and she’s full of Cat hair! or non-functioning. ONE TIME! I tried to take an AR down to the splinters and I wound up putting all the parts ina shoebox and handing them over the counter to a ‘friend’ who tried his level best NOT TO SMIRK @ me! Under the ‘Parts box’ was (2) dozen Donuts so it made the transaction smoother.

NEVER AGAIN! My Firearms are clean, maintained and ready to rock. (Just not by me)

I feel yer pain @BruceE

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I sent Barrett an email, they didn’t even question it, just gave me an RMA number, sent me a label and asked that I send it in for inspection and repair.

They replaced the buffer and sleeve ($500 in parts) filed the dent in the frame for clearance, and inspected the bolt and barrel for any collateral damage before shipping her back to me.

My cost…. Pride :man_facepalming:t2::man_facepalming:t2::man_facepalming:t2:

Now I have a damaged hydraulic buffer set to add to my “wall of shame”

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I have to ask, what gun cleaner and oil do you use that could be so offensive?

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It’s not so much an issue of the product being overly offensive, but of my Wife being a “Super Smeller”. She can sniff out things mere mortals are oblivious to. I can clean something out in the front yard on a breezy day and the doors and windows closed and she will smell it in the house.

In answer to your question though, I use Rem oil in a little squirt bottle, Hoppes solvent for heavy accumulations and CRC Red Can brake cleaner for general cleaning. CRC Red Can dries completely free of any deposits and will clean virtually anything. I also use it to clean wounds I get here at work.

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My wife hates the smell of Hoppes. She knows when I clean my guns.

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I can relate. She swears first pregnancy caused it.

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Bruce, please don’t spray that on your hands, and especially on an open cut. It goes straight into your skin and into your body. It’s main ingredient is Tetrachloroethylene, which is a pretty serious carcinogen.

I use it for all kinds of cleaning too, and usually work bare handed on my vehicles and equipment, but I’m careful not to get the brake cleaner on my hands, and if I have to hold small parts and spray them out, I wear rubber gloves. If those aren’t handy, hold the small parts with some needle nose pliers at least.

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Too late…

I’ve been using it for at least the last hundred years in my civilian life.

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Reminds me of growing up with food made extra delicious by monosodium glutamate (MSG).

“While historically criticized, modern research suggests the 1960s, reports of “Chinese restaurant syndrome” were anecdotal and not supported by evidence.”

Having said that, I’m generally careful around chemicals.

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I genuinely appreciate the concern for my safety.

Truth be told, the entire environment I work in can be listed as “causes cancer.” Diesel fuel, diesel exhaust fluid, diesel exhaust, diesel exhaust soot, all the lubricants, brake dust…the list goes on and on. Theoretically, I should wear a hazmat suit to work.

I’m A-Okay though.

Really, I’m fine…

Really, I’m fine…

Really, I’m fine…

Really, I’m fine…

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If I can remember right, I had a similar experience with the firing pin spring on a S&W 686. I’ve taken apart a lot of different firearms, so my memory might not be 20-20.

Regardless, I remember it was a dark colored tiny spring – about a ¼ inch long by 1/16 inch diameter. I drug a magnet back and forth across the floor. I got down on the floor with a flashlight. I stripped down and shook my clothes and repeated the magnet sweep and flashlight inspection – I was sure it was permanently gone!

My wife walked in about that time, saw me stripped down to my underwear and not surprisingly asked, “What the heck are you doing?” I explained it and she glanced around the room. She picked the tiny spring up off the floor and asked, “Is this it?” I don’t know how she did it, but I was very grateful!

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