I really like the specs for the JAKL. Palmetto State Armory really hit it out of the park with this one, and their Dagger pistol. I’m just waiting on their MP-5 clone, which feels like vaporware at this point. The fact that the charging handle on the JAKL is non-reciprocating is the thing I was most interested in. I was looking at the BRN-18 from Brownell’s but that has a reciprocating charging handle and I don’t like that design decision.
@Orpackrat If you get one, let us know how you like it
I was looking at the LC primarily for my wife. 40grain bullet @ 2100 fps does not stack up against a 5.56x45 10.5" AR pistol. 55 grn @ 2500 fps. 5.7 ammo cost is close to double. I have a 9mm carbine and am looking hard at Norma NXD 65 grain fluted bullets @ 2100 fps from the 16" barrel. Normally runs about a buck a round but Norma just had a sale at almost 1/2 price. $168 including tax shipped for 300 rounds. Recoil is very light in a Hellcat which weighs 23 oz with a red dot and 12 rounds.
Another point to consider is a 9mm carbine or AR pistol with 147 grain standard pressure can be suppressed with no supersonic crack.
Also, in nearly ever case of “same ammo handgun and carbine”, what that means is the terminal performance of the carbine is significantly reduced (handicapped, if you will) by using a handgun round instead of a rifle round
So to me, same handgun/rifle ammo is a con
Typical 9mm picks up 100-200 fps in a 16" barrel. The 65 grain 9mm picks up about 400 fps. Not meant to be a long range gun but it will work out to 100 yards.
For people in restricted states the 357 Magnum is a good option. Typical gain is 400 fps. 357 from a rifle is very capable as a hunting round out to 100 yards. 150 yards with Leverlution ammo.
My wife and I are old. We can’t carry a lot of weight. My get home was a Glock 19 and a Keltec Sub2k. If we had to travel to Kalifornistan it was the 357 combo. Wife had 22lr. May both be 22lr now.
The Ruger LC and 250 rounds are almost identical to the Keltec Sub2k and 250 rounds. 9mm is a lot easier to find.
65 grain 9mm Norma NXD = 50 rounds per lb.
Keltec Sub2k weighs 4.25 lbs.
40 grain 5.7x28 = 64 rounds per lb.
Ruger LC is 5.7 lbs.
I have an AR9 with 16" barrel and PC carbine, the AR9 i have some really spicy ammo, 115gr +P+, palmetto with the AR9 is the only company that said to send it, everyone else said no to the +P+.
That long of a barrel with the 115gr spicy ammo, should yield some impressive energy numbers…
Something appealing about a center fired .22 like round at high velocity.
Given Oregon with 114 would make most of what i want illegal, if passed before likely being overturned, always wanted a compact high velocity small round, more powerful and reliable than a .22wmr but not needing the full velocity of a 556 in a 16" barrel.
Weight is not a concern for me overall size kinda is… While likely not going to be carried as such, Ive always been wanting something that could be slung under the arm-pit…
Is that +p+ ammo hollow point? When SD HP ammo is run faster than it was designed to go bad things can happen. It may peel back too rapidly and over penetrate without imparting much energy or potentially break apart and under penetrate.
I’ve seen the opposite also, opens too soon too fast and under penetrates. You’re right though, taking a bullet and simply driving it faster isnt’ necessarily a good thing.
And adding a few hundred FPS to a pistol round does not for rifle ballistics make, it’s still nothing like running 2,800+
The 27 grain bullets are running at the higher speeds. The 40 grain was running about 2100fps in the carbine.
I keep going back to an earlier PDW, the M1 Carbine. 110 grain .308 bullet at 1975 fps. Loaded with a 45 or 50 grain fluted bullet it would be interesting.
As much as I’ve always wanted a 5.7x28 platform anything, with the price ammo and the potential supply issues in general I’m avoiding it. 5.7 has always been a little bit of a hard pill to swallow because of the limited number of manufacturers. 5.56 on the other hand is just easier to get and in pretty much whatever flavor you want.
Even when ammo is harder to get, it’s still easier to find compared 5.7.
This ^
Orders of magnitude easier to get, less expensive, and order of magnitude more powerful
Love the 5.7 X 28 in pistols and carbines without a doubt. 5.56 is a formidable caliber to say the least. Depends on your need, goals, usage. The PS90 perhaps is better suited than an AR Pistol in close quarters such as a car or truck, so a great bugout gun if TSHTF. The case comes out from the bottom, rather the side, the magazine lies flat rather than projecting outward and down. The firearm itself is more compact, but accessories are harder to get. As for the P50 or LC Carbine I cannot speak of those, the P50 looks like fun to shoot, but with a brace it starts to approach the size PS90. With the Ruger LC Carbine you will more than likely be limited to 20 rd magazines. My vote, PS90, but if you want to keep costs down, go with a 5.56 Pistol or Carbine or a 9 mm Carbine. Alas it doesn’t matter, the lake has swallowed up my firearms collection.
5.7 X 28 is a nice little round, Buddy had a Ruger 57 and it shoots well. To me the downsides are (ammunition cost/scarcity and (2) power. You’re basically getting .22 Mag Rifle performance from a pistol and mild .22 center fire performance (.22 Hornet?) from a carbine. Not bad things, but not earthshaking either. I like the little cartridge but I believe a person would be better served long term by a traditional handgun round, in either pistol or carbine. Ammo is a lot less expensive and a lot more available, A wider variety of bullet configurations gives the ability to “tailor” a load to a given mission. Finally, “varmint” bullets just aren’t that impressive on large targets. Heavier slug, with more energy, will just provide for a more effective “stop”. Shoot whatever works for you, but do your homework up front so you know what you’re getting into.
I like the 5.7 when I have to go into Chicago I can conceal the Ruger 5.7 and put 4 magazines easily into my pockets, to carry 101 rounds, no way to do that with a 223 platform with big bulky mags and a even larger handgun. Calling a ar-15 a handgun just because It’s missing a stock is ridicules and not concealable. It’s not my normal carry, that’s what Sig’s are for. The carbine looks like a great bull pump solution just waiting for the newness and prices to drop a little.
Yeah for a traditional handgun-handgun, actual rifle rounds like 5.56 need not apply
When I bought 500 rounds the box came and I thought s*t I got ripped off, but no 500 rounds can easily fit in my coat pockets 
You could walk into an armageddon concealed