In every emergency the people present are the first responders.
Ten minutes into the call, almost six minutes after the home owner is forced to defend himself police finally arrive. It takes them more than 12 minutes total to finally enter the home.
Notice too that the man is required to unload and secure his firearm before the house is cleared and before the police will allow him to open the door to let them in.
In the event there were still armed bad guys in the home this man likely would have ended up either being killed or taken hostage.
Your life, and the lives of your family are literally in your own hands in such an event.
Warning, there are things on this audio that may be upsetting to some people.
In the vast majority of cases, the police are not going to come save you, they will arrive after the incident is over to fill out reports and drag away the bodies.
This is why you need to get training on home defense. Because crimes only last a few seconds. And then theyāre over with. And sorry but unless youāre very lucky LEOās wonāt arrive while the crime is taking place. YOU ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER TO THE CRIME UNTIL THE LEOāS GET TO THE SCENE.
Hard to listen to, and also usefulā¦ now I know what agonal breathing sounds likeā¦ thatās quite disturbing. Still, Iād rather know that now, in case I ever have to hear it in person.
Listening made me wonder if he had a reload available, I think that was 5 shots, with one or two more bad guys still in the house.
Frightening, and sobering. Makes me think about my own house. I would consider this to be a fairly safe area but we do have our share of druggies around, and you never can tell what they might do.
Weāre in a very safe rural area as wellā¦ some theft but not much violence. Nonetheless, I was at a gun show last year where I ended up helping a nice little old lady pick out a handgun for self defense. Her neighbor, another widow, had a home invasion and was beaten nearly to death by a couple in their early twenties. They live about 15 miles from us, in an area as rural as ours.
Rate of risk varies by location, but the possibilities are always there.
@Zee
Safe rural area is safe till the moment the bad guys find it easy target.
I have the same in my location. Mostly people of their 80ās, few new families with kids. Quietly and peacefully.
But nothing lasts foreverā¦ itās better to be preparedā¦
Iāve had overnight to think about it and a couple of things come to mind:
My house phone is wireless, thatās so I can carry it anywhere in the house, and quite a ways out of it.
Like Zee said above, if all the victim had was 5 rounds, he was 1/1000th of a chance to FAIL. Always have more rounds in a magazine or speedloader and remember you donāt go anywhere with your gun without them!
At the point Dispatch is telling me how itās going to be - especially if LEOs are going to stay safe and outside? Iām not disarming myself until right before I exit that door of āThis far and no further.ā
Iām the one still under threat, theyāre not coming to protect me and mine? Iām not leaving it up to the luck of finding an environmental weapon when Iāve just left a perfectly good and working firearm behindā¦ At that point I"m communicating whatās happening as I cross the interior of the house.
@Chris4 that oneās bothering me a lot. Iām not sure that Iād agree to do it. @WildRose Iām not sure Iād go with ārequiredāā¦ they certainly told him to, but I donāt know that itās the same thing.
However you wish he was told to remove his magazine and unload the firearm and leave it in the closet before coming to the door to let the police in.
Neither he nor the police has any way of knowing that there were no bad guys remaining and thus he had to put himself at significant risk at their direction to comply.
At most I would have told the dispatcher that I would go and unlock the door for the police to enter retaining my weapon in the ready state and then retreat back to the room I felt safest in and only unload and secure the firearm once I identified it was police coming in and asking me to do so.
Thatās easily done by getting the name of the lead officer coming in and then having him identify himself to me.
Not at all arguing thatās what he was toldā¦ they told him that for sure. But āInstructedā kind of gets to the point of what I was asking. The fellow did as instructedā¦ and didnāt argue.
They certainly didnāt give him the ādisarm yourself or weāll shoot you when you come outā impression (which is good) but they put him at MORE risk in that in between arriving and clearing the house time than Iād have been willing to go with.
Iām not at all certain that I would have done āas instructed.ā
^^ Thatās a lot more whatās likely to come out of my mouth.
I was once listening to Clint Smith talk about the importance of having a challenge and response plan in place so you do not get shot by a significant other if you have to leave the room during a home invasion.
He also recommended having a floor plan taped to a key next to your night stand if you live in a 2 story so you could drop it to the cops from your bedroom window in case of a home invasion.
I donāt know how well the second part would work, but that kind of idea made me realize that as great as I think my home protection plan is, I still have to cross a few Tās and dot some IāS with my plan.
For sure! I am always looking to improve and look for more training. I have to find a carbine course here in WI. I want to brush up some skills and learn some new skills.
Cantā speak to WI but Sig Sauer and Gunsight both have excellent defensive carbine courses.
I think the NRA is well behind the times in not having carbine specific defensive courses to compliment our defensive pistol classes.
Even though it may be slightly out of the wheelhouse We should be encouraging the guys at the top of this organization to give it serious consideration as well.
That is one of the most frightening things I have ever heard - I felt like I was in the homeownerās soulš¢. Perfect example of why our 2A rights are SOOO important. Itās not a political football, itās a God given right of self-defense. Thank God the homeowner is ok. Iāll take being judged by 12 than buried by 6 any day.
I was really surprised the dispatcher had him leave his gun behind-nobody cleared the house so I wouldnāt have left it upstairs in the closet. He heard voices-how long were the police outside (a full minute?) before dispatch or the homeowner were informed? Scary.
In this situation where Iām hiding in the closet (not likely to happen) my closet door opens behind the door to my bedroom. As part of my HD strategy I open the closet door to ācatchā the bedroom door to keep it from opening all the way. It opens about a foot but will certainly disrupt a forced entry and cuts off the view of a significant portion of the room. The officer can stick his badge through the opening and identify himself, the dispatcher can (should be able to) tell me his/her name. There is ZERO chance that I am downloading if I think there may still be a badguy in the house.
