What is your religion and why?

It’s a humbling fact for any person to consider that God’s characteristics- including God’s existence or lack thereof- is completely independent of our opinions. No person can believe God into existence, nor can any person’s disbelief cause God to stop existing. In that respect, we’re all the same.

I remember when my children were toddlers. They all went through a stage where they would repeat what they wished to be true, regardless of obvious facts. It could be as simple as “there is no school tomorrow” or "we have ice cream. My showing them the calendar or the empty ice cream carton would only cause them to insist more. And generally, these would end with a child crying because they would not will their wishes into existence.

This is how I often feel when people express their dogma on the supernatural. My favorite statements are from those who declare “I refuse to believe in a God that…”, as if our beliefs have any relevance. It comes from religious and irreligious people alike. Most of us have a hard enough time grasping what we know of nature, to say nothing of the unknown natural wonders or the universal forces that may or may not impact our natural world.

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Does that mean that yelling “election fraud” over & over doesn’t make that true either?

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Depends on whether or not we ever find any adults. :smirk:

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I guess this explains why I never got that bb gun I always wanted for christmas.

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How is water able to be Solid, Liquid, Gas?

Gods not only triune but us… ‘humans’ who were made in his image are also triune beings.

Spirit, soul, body.

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@Mr.Plastic >>>> WELL PUT <<<. :paraguay::paraguay::paraguay:

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I wasn’t raised by a church going family. Both my parents had been Catholic but they had both been divorced before they married.

My mother read the Bible with me when I was younger. My father was at best agnostic but having been taught in a Catholic school was quite knowledgeable about the Bible. He told me it was my choice if I believed in Christ or not but if the religion was true and I did have faith I would be way ahead of the game when it needed.

Mainly I read the Bible and books about the Bible. I believe I have read it cover to cover at least five times in different versions such as the King James Version, the New International Version and the English Standard Version.

I have attended several churches throughout my lifetime. The one that impressed me the most was the Bascilica on Jackson Square in New Orleans. The priest who gave the sermon raised hell with the members of the congregation for the vice and sin in the adjoining French Quarter. Most Protestant churches I attended avoided chastising their congregation for their most common sins. Most likely they feared it would reduce the amought of the donations.

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Welcome to the family brother @William837 and God bless you.

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Finally hit an age where someone offered to help me get my bag into the overhead for the first time. I have to admit, I was offended for a brief moment, then hugely grateful. Is there a word for that?

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God bless you brother @CascadiaNow and I believe that the word your looking for is DENIAL. Been there, done that.

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Please do not take offense.
Water can only be of one form or the other. You dont ever have the same matter assuming more than one state at a time. It is either water or ice. It cannot be ice and gas simultaneously. Just for the sake of trivia, remember there are actually four states of matter, there is also plasma.

Again, please dont take offense, just block or report this post if it offends, but from a religious perspective the trinity is not mentioned in the Tanakh, from which Christianity is derived, or really for that matter in the new testament. The trinity was conceived in the fourth century at the councils of Nicea (325 A.D.) and Constantinople (381 A.D.).

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You should read the Bible again. The father, son and Holy Spirit are mentioned. Math 28:19.

From Jesus’ own mouth.

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I won’t get involved in the religious aspects of this most recent exchange; that’s for those more conversant in that area than I. However, water can indeed exist in all three phases at once. It’s called the triple-point, and occurs at a specific temperature and pressure intersection in the phase diagram of water:

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That’s why we always ask: Do you believe?
Religion is a system of faith and worship.
What you were trying to explain was a scientific explanation, not religion.

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Just for clarification, I am a very religious person and have and do read and study the Tanach and the Christian Bible. Lots of reading between them. I do go to Bible Study and services at a Christian Church where we are reading the Bible from cover to cover. We are currently in the Tanach, II Kings. I have no question or doubts about the existence of Hashem. So, I am not questioning your belief or faith, I just come from a different belief . This can make Bible Study much more fun and interesting for all.

Or perhaps not? There is a lot of evidence that Matthew was corrupted from the original by the Catholic Church. See video below: 10 minute read…

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I understand why you would think that and I totally agree with you that religion is a system of faith and worship. I should have explained the context I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is that Christianity believes the Trinity is 3 separate “persons(?)” who are separate but equal and the same simultaneously.

The model of water, ice, gas is 3 separate states of the same molecule, but they dont exist as one at the same time. Alces_Americanus shows us an example he says proves otherwise. I have been unable to find a source that says water exists in all 3 states at this point. My quick searches say the triple point is the point used for calibration of thermometers, but as defined in my research says " Water reaches its triple point at just above freezing (0.1° C) and at a pressure of 0.006 atm." This does not say the water exists in all 3 states simultaneously at this point, it states this is the point where water begins to change from one state to another and as stated is a point just above the freezing point, so the water is still in separate states, water OR ice.

Alces_Americanus, if you have a reference that actually states the water exists in all 3 states at this point please share, it is a new interesting concept to me. I dont know enough about the states of matter to say what you say is not true, but I fail to find a reference that states what you imply.

I think for my statement I was generalizing with the common mans understanding of the molecule is, I was not using the scientific understanding most people, including myself, never heard of. It is an interesting concept I admit, but I my references dont confirm what Alces_Americanus states (no pun intended).

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Didache
“But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye: having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in running water,” (Didache 7:1).

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And that is the main point of believing.
You believe, not discuss.

The whole meaning was written in New Testament:
“Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed.”

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Most people fail to realize that not all of what Jesus did was written down. The Bible even tells us so. John 21:25. The Christian faith teaching consists of scripture and sacred tradition. Sacred tradition is not the same as man made tradition. These are teachings passed down from Christ. The magisterium are the official interpreters of these two sources of the ancient faith. Breaking from sacred tradition occurred during the Protestant Reformation, which is why non-Catholics are referred to as Protestants, even those that believe they were the first Christians (without evidence tracing their existence all the way back to Jesus.

I get so tired of Christians saying Catholics worship Mary with the meaning we elevate her equal to God. Some even doubt she is in heaven. Really? That’s pretty dim. Abraham, Moses, Elijah, …. It’s beyond ignorance even out right Stupid to think the Blessed Mother wouldn’t or isn’t in Heaven if you are Christian. Many in my family as well as my wife’s family are among those believers. 95% of my family are Protestants of varying denominations. My wife’s family are all Protestant, mostly the Church of Christ, which is our background.

Do some research before you slam us. Gusty is written down.

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I would never get upset! Glance back at the dialogue !
It’s respectful but also in lighting from different perspectives.

——> The history of the first two thousand years of Christian thought is generally broken down into two manageable sections. While every-one has their own views about how best to decide Christian history, many use a framework which looks something like this.

The apostolic period:

The first one hundred years is often referred to as the apostolic period. This is the period during which the works now included in the New-Testament were written. During this time, Christianity was spreading throughout the Mediterranean region and beyond. The missionary journeys of St. Paul, described in the Acts of the Apostles, are an excellent example of this activity.

The patristic period:

The apostolic period is followed by what is still generally known as the patristic period (some now prefer to refer to this as the “period of the early church”), which is usually held to begin about the year 100. There is no firm agreement about when this period ended: some scholars suggest it ends in the fifth century, while others extend it by at least two centuries.

One of the most important achievements of the patristic period was the establishing by which books dating back from the apostolic period were to be regarded as “canonical” or “biblical.”

Development of Christian Theology:

The Middle Ages, or medieval period, is regarded as extending from the end of the patristic era to about year 1500. This long period was immensely creative culturally, and productive theologically, producing theological classics such as Peter Lombard’s Four Books of the Sentences and Thomas Aquinas’s great thirteenth-century work, the Summa Theologiade.

What is faith?:

Let’s begin by noting two different senses of the word “belief” and “faith.” Theologians have traditionally made distention between faith as a set of beliefs, and faith as an act of believing. Two Latin phrases are often used in theological literature to express this difference between the content of faith, and the human act of faith.

(1.) Fides quae creditur (Which can be loosely translated as “the faith we believe”). This Refers to an object set of beliefs, such as those set out in Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene Creed. This is understood to provide an outline of the basic beliefs of Christian faith.

(2.) Fides qua creditur (which can be loosely translated ”as the faith by which we believe”).

Faith affects the human mind, heart, and will. Consider for example, the statement from an early twentieth - century Angelican theologian.

“[Faith] affects the whole of [human] nature. It commences with the conviction of the mind based on adequate evidence; it continues in the confidence of the heart of emotions based on conviction, and it is crowded in the consent of the will, by means of which the conviction and confidence are expressed in conduct.”

Can God’s existence be proved?:

“Somethings can indeed be proved; but some, by the very nature, lie beyond proof. God is one of these.” (Tenson, Alfred. 1809-92)

The basic Christian attitude to proofs for the existence of God can be set out as follows.

(1.) The existence of God is something that reason cannot prove conclusively. Yet the fact that the existence of God lies beyond reason does not mean that the existence of God is contrary to reason.

(2.) Certain excellent reason maybe put forward for the suggesting that God exists; these do not, however, count as “proofs” in the sense of “rigorous logical demonstrations” or “conclusive scientific experiments.”

(3.) Faith is about trusting God, rather than just excepting that God exists.

McGrath, Alister. “Theology: The Basics.” Blackwell Publishers Ltd. 2018. Hoboken, New Jersey United States.

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Fascinating topic. I will add my 2 cents’ worth… There is a Godel theorem in Mathematics, and Turing Halting Problem in Computer Science. They basically state, that a system of knowledge cannot be complete, and there are concepts that you cannot conclusively reason about.

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