Oh, I get it now. I’m a little tired and didn’t click on the link you sent. I just looked at the picture you attached. The guy in the suit looked like he had a grey beard. Anyway, nope I’m not a Robert1246. But, if you want to block me you can. Actually, I stand with the grey beard in the video. I couldn’t understand what they were talking about but he went to the front of the bus and the guy came after him. After that, he had to take care of himself. Sorry for all the confusion.
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No worries.
Just checking to call out AI bots and duplicate accounts.
Because conveniently enough, they can’t follow links or correctly identify images either.
Just saying.
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If I have to draw my firearm, a stopping shot is a deadly shot. They’re one and the same!
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Not me. Please read the thread carefully…
But… putting dead people in the ambulance shows that you still give them a chance… 
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In today’s world though,… if they make it into the ambulance, you as the defender may be responsible for their expenses!
Thats why we need good attorneys fighting for our rights!
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If ‘Shrink-wrapped’ properly you can lay (12) in a van horizontally! (No sweat) J.Wick 1
(a fiend told me)
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Shooting at someone’s legs is an escalating act not a deescalating act.
Firing a firearm at someone is using lethal force regardless of where you target. This should only be done when there is no other choice due to imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. In that situation you need to stop the threat immediately and center mass usually gives the highest odds of doing that.
Plus shooting someone in the leg can still easily lead to death. It’s also a very hard shot to make in a dynamic self defense situation. The chances of failing to stop the threat are significantly increased with that target as are the chances of missing and hitting an innocent bystander.
If you feel that the threat is not imminent enough to immediately apply potentially deadly force then you should be using real deescalation techniques like running away or trying to verbally talk your way out of the situation. Doing those things are a far better way to show witnesses that you were trying everything you could to avoid “excessive” force.
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For an additional fee: That can be arranged. Also ‘Canning’ facilities are also available.
Just saying
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BSF → Butchers Special Forces… only in NYC
Their motto is: “You defend yourself, we take care of fitting them in the ambulance”
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The last thing I will say on this matter is looking @ the Topic: Header
Stopping force vs. Deadly force. Just change ‘vs’ to ’ IS’
We need to take this seriously (every once in a while we have to be serious here), straight forward and HONEST with ourselves.
Nobody wants to kill another human being
(granted some are less evolved than most)
We need to have Eyes open, Ears Up! (SA)
If we see the threats EARLY we give ourselves more options.
Stopping Force vs. Deadly Force are NOT separate issues.
YOU SHOOT TILL THE THREAT IS DOWN. If Attacked you are
GOOD TO GO in responding in a deadly manner.
My whole game plan, honed over years of experiences, stories and teachings
is Simple: I am going to do whatever it takes to go home at night.
Why do we have to show the Violent Criminal Quarter anyway?
Where is it written we need to show a person (who just proved violent intent on us)
We now need to show these animals compassion?.
HOW MANY OF US HAVE ACTUALLY DEFENDED OURSELVES? What’s the percentage of our little group?.
I can tell you all True it ain’t like on TV! Anything that sounds like it’s a scene in a movie was probably stolen from one. I don’t even remember two of them. I blanked it from memory banks buried in my head. Prolly a survival mechanism.
TRAIN UP.
We NEED to be ready (JIC) for a Gunfight where everything is riding on how you trained
and what your mindset is.
How much do YOU want to go home? It is THAT simple.
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I believe we do. Compassion is our most powerful tool. The compassion to put these murderers out of their misery. Let God deal with them. That kind of compassion can save a lot of lives. Save the human race from going extinct.
Careful you’re showing your true colors.
wait a moment… what about verbal deescalation? 
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If it ever came out in court that you “shot to wound” or “shot to deescalate,” or especially, “shoot a warning shot,” then your defensive situation could be deemed to have been non-life threatening. If you had time to take a carefully aimed shot at someone’s leg, then you could potentially have chosen other actions, or deescalated verbally instead.
In order to demonstrate your life was in iminent danger, your testimony must show the ONLY reasonable action you were left with was to potentially take someone’s life (not “teach them a lesson” or “hobble them to show you how much you meant business”) …by shooting to stop.
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NEVER, EVER fire a warning shot folk’s this is the streets
and Neighborhoods of the United States of America, not some
Northern Provence in Afghanistan where a warning shot was part of the ROE.
Every Gunner is RESPONSIBLE for every round that leaves YOUR Barrel/Firearm.
Don’t give these Criminal Elements any more ‘Ammo’ (pun intended) to use against you.
Cops: Oh, lets see Reckless endangerment, Discharge of a firearm in a restricted/School, GFZ?.." They could rack you up and you won’t see daylight for 23 of the 24 hours you
are in Prison. Bad Deplorable MAGA Brute!
Don’t let the Mice in your head worry what the Courts will say if you do this or the Cops will say if you do that. You can twist yourself into INNACTION!
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What’s really messed up is if one does save their own life or the lives of loved ones by lethally stopping the threat .. then there’s the good chance ones ccw privilege’s will be revoked due to the recorded arrest not to mention possibly never being able to buy a firearm again due to the criminal record.
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If you act legally to stop a threat and can afford a good legal defense team (or have quality self defense insurance to cover those expenses) then the chances of that happening are likely rather low. Except perhaps in jurisdictions with anti self defense prosecutors and politicians. Though even n those places a good legal team should be able to counter their arguments that we must all be defenseless victims at the mercy of the whims of violent criminals.
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